Discussion in 'Community' started by Juliet316
, Jan 23, 2013.
let it go dawg, just let it go
your subforum's dead, son. accept it
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the IDF currently made of up of front line male and female soldiers?
The bolded part is where you fail. I'll answer your question, but first, the definition of chivalry...
1the medieval knightly system with its religious, moral, and social code:the age of chivalry
the combination of qualities expected of an ideal knight, namely courage, honour, courtesy, justice, and a readiness to help the weak:tales of chivalry and knightly deeds
courteous behaviour, especially that of a man towards women:he still retained a sense of chivalry towards women
Okay... now, we are long past medieval times. Do I like to be treated with respect? Yes, absolutely. When I think of respect, I think of mutual respect... equal respect--namely, not assuming that because I am a female, I am weak and in need of protection. If, in a moment of weakness, I ask for help, that's one thing--but for you to assume that all women are in need of this protection that you speak of, is pretty ignorant and offensive. Even worse, to imply, or in your case, flat-out say, that those who do not wish to be treated as fragile, based on their gender are not "feminine" is ridiculous and ignorant. To treat a person with respect is to get to know them as a person and treating them in the way that individual would like to be treated, instead of making blanket assumptions about them, based on gender.
Just retag it.
Chivalry -- such that it exists as a modern ideal -- is essentially being a gentleman. A gentleman does not make another person -- whether male or female -- feel like a lesser person. That's bad manners, and any modern etiquette guide of standing makes that absolutely clear.
So, let's take a real world example: I will occasionally open doors for women*. Should a woman open a door for me, I would gladly thank that person and walk through the door. That's what good manners demand. Some men would refuse, or insist on opening the door themselves -- that's rude.
*NB, I will also occasionally open doors for men as well. It's just a matter of being nice.
Really, treat female people and male people like people - with courtesy and respect (well, internet excepted sometimes ) and you've got manners.
sometimes i hold a door open when the person behind me is still very far off so i can watch them speed up to grab it.
Oh man... I hate when people do that. If I'm too far off, I'll thank the person, and say that I'm good.
i love doing it. in my experience, no-one has ever done what you do, unless they are not intending to go through the door i am holding open.
Oh, you're that guy.
i open doors for everyone and wear a little cap and jacket like in newsies and i get hella tips
yeah, you live in dc, right? yes it was probably me.
My leg is still kinda busted, so I don't like having to speed up because some person is waiting for me. I'm pretty gracious when I say thanks, but I'm good. I'm not all bent about it, or anything.
I'm equal opportunity on door policy - I hold 'em and I cheerfully thank 'em.
you should call out "leg is busted, ya arse! let it lay!"
Locking this for a fresh start for the discussion with a bit more of a framework to get to the topics Juliet wanted to aim for.
post itt if youre witty and interesting and would like to talk about women and/or combativeness. just kidding if i were that strict about the limitations id just be posting to myself.
everyone is welcome, indeed encouraged, to post itt and not in the new senate thread which was desperately trumped up at the last second to help the senate mods feel like they he still has some reason for being a mod. post big long essays about ur cousin being a woman or a troop and how this proves/disproves sexism or w/e. post boring huffpo articles. or just make jokes. whatever. have at it.
the replacement hasnt been blooded yet
Also... is it just me, or does it appear that the opening post in the new thread was not written by the author of the original thread?
So anyway... we left off with the start of a pretty good discussion about modern day manners vs medieval chivalry (and holding doors so that people have to run to you).
i get my car door for ladies when im driving em places but im not ocd about it and if she reaches the door before me or whatever im not gonna race in front of her or anything
ahahaha omg that's too good. how pathetic
If the wimmens get to fight, who is going to stay home and make the sammiches?
And I like to hold doors open just to let the heat or air conditioning out of the building.
The out of work drones.
Now for some more vintage misogynistic propaganda...
LOL at the Senate. I am thankful to have this thread where we can work together to achieve that gray area between glorious Mother Russia and chivalry.
Yes, i know women and females are slightly different. The females are the peaceful kind, right?