World getting divided between Right and Left? (Now discussing non-linear 'Political Compass')

YOU voted for Clinton?



That is kinda amusing TripleB. You gotta admit it... Do you have any Babs records too?

E_S

 

That is why I take specific attacks against Liberalism. I think liberalism needs to be exposed and fought and defeated wherever it is found, said, thought or breeded. I almost fell for the false promises of Liberalism, almost fell to the Dark Side, so I believe I can say better then anyone about BOTH sides of hte political debate.

 

I grew up an ardent Conservative (in the non-American context, i.e. British style) in a moneyed context, then drifted to socialism. However, NOTHING beats classical liberalism IMO, TripleB! (Remember that link I gave you?)

However, you didn't answer my question.

Do you, or do you not, have any Barbara Streisand records?!?!

E_S

 

Ender_Sai said

I grew up an ardent Conservative (in the non-American context, i.e. British style) in a moneyed context, then drifted to socialism. However, NOTHING beats classical liberalism IMO, TripleB! (Remember that link I gave you?)

I must have lost it, send it to me again.

However, you didn't answer my question.

Do you, or do you not, have any Barbara Streisand records?!?!

I have never owned a single Barbara Streisand record, no.

 

Economic Left/Right: 1.75
Authoritarian/Libertarian: 3.49

 

Ender_Sai is our centrist? [face_shocked]

 

Ender
"I did, however, find a point of moral contention with the Marx quote. I mean, it is a great idea - "From each according to his ability, to each according to his idea" - but only as an idea. It has only worked properly in one place, and that Thomas More's Utopia - before Marx's time. So, given the implications of it, I disagreed. It's a great idea but it's best left to pseudo-intellectualism that the real world."

Is that the appropriate quandary, though?

Doesn't the philosophy of "to each according to his needs" preclude any incentive for the individual to seek higher education, and work harder to achieve grander results - for himself and for society? Is it really Utopia when government assigns each individual a class based on its opinion of his needs, and does not allow him the freedom to move out of it? And isn't society, a collection of individuals, better served when its individuals are inspired to achieve the highest level of success possible?

It's my opinion that, as creations of nature, we are driven almost exclusively by positive and negative reinforcement. And the theory at hand deprives us of both. It's not just a matter of "people are bad, so socialism won't work," as some people would postulate. Because also relevant is the fact that people are good, and it hurts us all to put restraints on them.

So, I answered "strongly disagree," and if not for that I would have wound up left of center on the graph. That, despite my being brainwashed by W.!

 

Economic Left/Right: 7.12
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -1.95

Ok, I admit it. I'm, as P.J. O'Rourke would say, a "Crystal Meth in Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream" libertarian .

 

Ender_Sai is our centrist?

Yep. Hail to the King, baby!

Is it really Utopia when government assigns each individual a class based on its opinion of his needs,

Sorry, you misread me. Thomas More's Utopia is a work of fiction and a quasi-socialist paradise. That's where "From each according to his ability..." should reside; or as a personal creed.

E_S

 

Gah! Why hadn't I seen this thread sooner? I've been obsessed with the Political Compass for quite some time now. Here are my latest results:

Economic Left/Right: 3.50
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.62

Judging by the results of the other Senate members, I'd definitely have to say that I agree almost 100% of the time with those in the same quadrant.

 

Up

 

For the curious:
the Political Compass Spectrum for the JCC. and the thread that it was in. I think there is about 45 or so people in the graph.

 

I took this test a while ago, but here's my latest score:

Economic Left/Right: -0.12
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.97

Not much change int he economic left/right, but I took a 5 point jump in the libertarian/authoritarian axis. This is all within a year too.

I guess opinions do change

 

here are my results, not even sure what they mean yet, just took the survey...

Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.05

 

Ooohh...I'm in the evil blue quadrant.

 

I thought I'd up this to see if we get any new responses.

Kimball Kinnison

EDIT: I just took the test again, and I seem to have shifted left a bit again.

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.31

I am now (very) slightly left of center.

 

I just (re)took the test, and these were my results:

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.50
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.18

previous results

Economic Left/Right: -7.50
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.00

i moved slightly right on the economic scale

 

Wow, I've shifted from dead-center a bit, and moved a tad more towards Libertarian.


Old Score:
Economic Left/Right: 0.75
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -1.33

New Score:
Economic Left/Right: 0.38
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.69




Anata Baka?!

 

IALJ, shifting from that far left rightward 1 point isn't much of a change!

JFT, I don't think that's a huge shift, really...less than half a point?

 

Red-Seven

That's why I used words like "bit" and "tad."



Anata Baka?!

 

hmmm...

Economic Left/Right: 2.88
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.15


old scores (i think):
Economic Left/Right: 2.50
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.69


hmmmmmmm. farther from the center, but i'm okay with that.

 

The sooner we cease to waste our precious time codifying and generalizing ourselves (political beliefs, our spirituality and personalities, for instance) no matter how much more elaborate or grand-scale our methods may be, the sooner we can get on with the business of peacefully coexisting.

Portraying our (humans') differences in the form of a struggle between opposites only reinforces the aggression that is already all too prevalent in our species. No matter how much detail we incorporate into our systemized generalization of people, it is 100% of the time a means to judge people without meeting them and living with them and working with them: you know, those messy human interactions in our lives that require peaceful coexistence (individual attention), as our species depends upon it.

What this political compass is missing is how each type of belief, as signified by answers to questions (the wording of which inherently has an affect on the answer, any which way), is necessary for each other kind of belief to exist. What this system is missing is a gauge for the interconnectedness which, by necessity, is a part of our everyday existence in our societies.

We people REALLY DO need eachother. We don't need judge one another before interacting (and NOT by proxy, as this system is designed to do); our lives are not dependent on this. Our lives ARE, on the other hand, dependent on people not freaking out on eachother, as happens in schools (read: Columbine, for one), in workplaces (read: any disgruntled employee assaulting fellow employees), and at home (read: child/spousal abuse). In each of these cases, the violence starts when a person ceases to see their fellow human beings as humans, and instead replaces them, effectively, in their minds, with generalizations.

 

Schmader, leftists have now become the prime proponents of citing differences and stereotyping of certain cultures and peoples.

You want peaceful coexistence? Help stop the groupism that is destroying the left.


BTW, someone grab R7 before he escapes the gravitational pull and drifts off into space....................forever.



Here's my new scores compared to old:

Economic Left/Right:
Old: 4.38
New: 5.25

Authoritarian/Libertarian:
Old: -1.95
New: -2.56

 

To paraphrase, read you nothing that I wrote?

Just for a moment, ShaneP, allow yourself to imagine seeing people in a different way than this illusory "struggle of opposites".

I guess that would require actually interacting personally, rather than with a computer screen (by proxy). I ask too much.

Don't you understand that this quick and easy method for pigeonholing only reinforces our perceived need for violence?

Your faith in this system is understandable, though. It works so long as you don't have to actually relate to people.

 

Irony.