Clone Wars Would Ahsoka have been made a Knight if she came back?

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  1. Mzukiller Jedi Master

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    Yeah a lot of things concerning Ahsoka's padawanship don't really add up.
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  2. Dark Lord Tarkas Force Ghost

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    Given that they waited until the fifth season to give her that kind of responsibility, I would hardly say it was portrayed as no big deal, and I really didn't feel some exposition with Jedi Masters discussing sending her on her own was necessary since Anakin goes off on his own as a late-teen (same age) Padawan in Ep. II on a very similar escort-only mission and TCW has repeatedly referenced the Jedi Order pressing more and more responsibilities on younger and younger Jedi due to the overwhelming demands of the war. I usually don't like it when TCW does unnecessary exposition, and everything we know about the Jedi from the films and TCW tells us Ahsoka going on this escort mission is fairly normal, especially during the war.

    The fact that there is no such exposition could just as easily imply that any Padawan that age could be given that responsibility, meaning Ahsoka is not doing anything special at all, so that interpretation of the lack of exposition would be just as valid if that's the way someone wanted to look at it.

    When Barriss and Ahsoka were introduced to each other Luminara goes on about how reliable Barriss is and all the hard work she did preparing for the mission and Anakin basically just insults Ahsoka, saying he hopes she can even keep up or something along those lines. And you call that putting Ahsoka in a leadership role??? I am serious.
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  3. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    I meant in Brain Invaders, not as a topic of conversation among their Masters.
  4. Dark Lord Tarkas Force Ghost

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    @anakinfansince1983 ah, well in my opinion Barriss getting brain-wormed instead of Ahsoka was coincidental in the sense that IU it could just as easily have been Ahsoka who got brain-wormed and Barriss who had to save the ship (which all her set-up implies she would be more competent than Ahsoka at doing), though of course OU Ahsoka is the main character of most episodes of the series so they framed her as the hero.

    I think it adds dramatic tension that the Padawan who the whole ship comes to rely on is the one that was portrayed as the less competent of the two.
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  5. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    And therein lies my problem with it.

    Someone else should be the hero just once. Another Padawan. "Main character" or not, it always being her is tiresome.

    Reminds me of being a kid watching Road Runner and wishing Wiley E. Coyote would win just once.
  6. Darth Valkyrus Force Ghost

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    The only other Padawan I can remember seeing apart from Barriss was that one who got killed (along with his master) by Savage Opress, during the latter's first Jedi-killing expedition.
  7. Dark Lord Tarkas Force Ghost

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    @anakinfansince1983 haha, well she was the main character of most episodes. [face_dunno] That certainly would not have been my preference either if they'd asked me, which I think you know by now.

    However, I still think it's a very important difference that it was a situation in which it's clearly established that Barriss was as or more equipped to handle it if their roles were reversed rather than it being something where for some reason only Ahsoka could have saved the day because of her inherent specialness, which would have been terrible, whereas I'm fine with it as-is because they did not do that. Like I said, I think it adds dramatic tension that the Padawan who the whole ship comes to rely on is the one that was portrayed as the less competent of the two.

    That's at the end of Monster and that Padawan is actually with his Jedi Master. Savage kills them both. [face_devil]
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  8. GGrievous Chosen One

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    Poor Nahdar. Imo he was a Padawan, not a Knight.
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  9. Dark Lord Tarkas Force Ghost

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    Lair of Grievous is a great cautionary tale in advancing Jedi through training so they can be thrown into the war too quickly. I think the point was that someone like Nahdar Vebb really should have still been a Padawan in normal times, but the war is not normal times.
  10. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    Yup - they put him through the Trials early, and he passed.
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  11. Drewdude91 Jedi Grand Master

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    I doubt she'd have been knighted. Anakin's apprenticeship to Obi-Wan lasted over 10 years. Ahsoka's apprenticeship to Anakin lasted like 1-2 years. She was like 14-15 years old, far too young to be a Jedi Knight. Obi-Wan was in his mid 20s when he was knighted, after being apprenticed to Qui-Gon for some 13-15 years or so.
  12. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    They might have counted it as her "Trial of Spirit" - but there are other trials.
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  13. Vorax Jedi Grand Master

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    She was a Padawan still, Anakin was giving her back her padawan braid thing. Although Anakin still appears to be subservient tag along Padawan in ROTS instead of his own Jedi Knight. They never quite clarify all this in the movies the difference between a "Knight" and "Master" . You'd think once he became a Knight he would stop calling Obi Wan, "master" and Obi Wan referring to Anakin as his padawan or apprentice still. its like when is the cord severed already.


    Tano left the order without her sabers from what I recall, signifies she's not allowed or no longer able to keep and bare arms of a Jedi Knight, turned in her badge and gun so to speak, no longer a Jedi of any kind as the lightsaber is all important. Tano also had the premonition on Mortis, of her older self, her turning away from Anakin and the Jedi, also signaled she knew her path if she stayed with the Jedi would've been one of darkness and death. Already some of the darkside Anakin passed onto her, so she was conflicted and probably would not of been able to continue on as a Jedi as anger wouldve been too great and knowing what she betrayed by the order and and how they operate. She'd have too many conflicts and no longer a child blindly following along obedient or ignorant to the inner politics and problems of the Jedi Order or Republic.
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  14. Dark Lord Tarkas Force Ghost

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    Remember Nahdar Vebb in Lair of Grievous, the opening narration to The Gathering, et cetera. The Jedi are advancing more and more of their members more and more quickly through their ranks because the war necessitates it (from their point of view).
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  15. JediFan215 Jedi Grand Master

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    Ah, but in that vision, Older Ahsoka was wearing her lightsabers, wasn't she?
    Maybe she went back to the warehouse and retrieved them, though I also like to think that Anakin went to get them and kept them, somehow through his time as Vader
  16. MConDA4ever Jedi Padawan

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    That vision was just a possible future. If she had abondoned Anakin as master after mortis. The fact that she stayed with Anakin, made her beeing involved into the issue with letta tumond. In the process she lost her lightsabers in an industrial area next to a imperial base were entry is limited. She can' t go back there anymore.

    The other saber was lost in the warehouse in the lower levels. Some natives there already found it and sold it on the black market to some bountyhunters maybe.

    She has no access to Illum anymore. She can't build a new saber.
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  17. Darth Valkyrus Force Ghost

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    That's quite an assumption to make.

    She's been to Ilum before, at least twice, once as overseer of a group of younglings and commander of the mission.

    She knows its spatial coordinates. She knows what hyperlane they joined to make their way out there.

    I find it unlikely that there is some naval blockade or patrol constantly on watch, blocking access to it, like some sort of galactic Area 51.

    Anyone who has a starship can go there most likely.

    Little 17yo Ahsoka who had just walked out of the Jedi Order didn't have a ship. Actually she pretty much didn't have anything. But in the years that lie ahead that could very well change.
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  18. JediFan215 Jedi Grand Master

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    @MConDA4ever
    Ok, valid point. It's been a while since I've watched those eps.
    And I'm in agreement with @Darth Valkyrus; she could find a way to get back to Illum.
    and if she went back to the warehouse right after she walked away, she could probably find it. That's if she wanted to.
    Was there a lightsaber on her in the Season 7 concept art?
  19. MConDA4ever Jedi Padawan

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    Yep. 17 or 16years old and has no credits and no belongings. Coruscant is a capitalist world and the only person where Ahsoka can go is Padme Amidala. But Padme is Anakins wife and Ahsoka dont want to see him again. Maybe she makes Anakin responsible for her nearly death by the hands of his troops.

    I think Ahsoka hired as a bodyguard for maybe Lux Bonteri to earn a living.

    In the episode the gathering we can see that you need several jedi to open the secret cave gate on illium. Ahsoka cant open the gate by her own. She also dont know the coordinates. They are programmed into the ship navigation computer and encrypted. Only that droid swordbuilder knows the encryption.

    Ahsoka cant build Lightsaber without a force chrystal.
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  20. TheSilentInfluence Force Ghost

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    Padme and Lux would be obvious choices for Anakin to look to try and get her back into the order though. I don't think he would give up that easily. Hmm. But would she even want new lightsabers? I mean she just got betrayed by her 'family' The Jedi Order, and Anakin and Obi-Wan couldn't help her much. I'm not sure I can see her with new lightsabers.

    Anyway, if she wanted crystals she deosn't have to go to Illum to get lightsaber crystals. There's a cave on Dantooine where you can get them without trails and using the force to open a gate.
  21. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    If EU content's allowed - a much simpler way to get a crystal is to make one. That's what Luke does in Shadows of the Empire.
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  22. Vorax Jedi Grand Master

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    From what I see she's wearing what appear to near identical lightsabers but her outfit has changed but it too looks passingly identical to what she wears by the later seasons. It is possible Ventress tracked down her lost lightsabers after hers were stolen. I personally still cannot figure out how Bariss so easily defeated Ventress, ambushed or not, but that is another story. It isnt likely Anakin would return Ventress' sabers but she is seen wielding possibly a new red lightsaber in the new novel coming out. Skywalker possibly tracked down or kept Tano's sabers and could have gave her them back at some point in season 7 or 8, he seems the type to do that for her. Even Kenobi kept Anakin's lightsaber all those years and after he had slaughtered many Jedi with it.


    *Iron Lord, where does Luke get his crystal in ROTJ? I never read the novel, but saw the deleted scene of him putting it together.
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  23. rumsmuggler Chosen One

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    As far as the gate goes, just because all the younglings and Padawan Tano all focused on the gate doesn't mean one person can't open the gate on their own if they wanted to.Yoda was already inside, so it seems more like a tradition that they did it that way instead of a requirement.
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  24. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    It's left unclear in the RoTJ novel. But in SoTE, he makes the crystal, using a little furnace to generate heat and pressure, and a small amount of the right chemicals.
  25. Darth Valkyrus Force Ghost

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    Ahsoka could easily money up by going into the seedy underworld of Coruscant and acting like an innocent, naive pretty young girl, baiting some would-be rapist, robber etc. into turning their eye on her, at which point they end up mugging the monster and Ahsoka gets their stuff.

    It would be a "morally acceptable" way for her to up her assets through what would otherwise constitute blatant theft.