See, now there is a perfect example of ignorance padawanjo. I said " If you don't like the country, why would you stay here?" I never said anything about people whining about Bush and the political system. Jon specifically said "I've lost most of my respect for Bush and this country and don't feel that it's worth fighting for." If you don't like the political system, then fight to change it. That's fine, but if you don't like the country, get the **** out and quit crowding the people that truly love this country. Oh, and if by knowing someone in the armed forces mean you have credentials, then here are mine: Two grandpas in WWII, one grandpa in Vietnam, three uncles in Vietnam (one held in a POW camp for about a year), one uncle in the Gulf War, and three friends and a cousin overseas right now.