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Lit Would you like Star Wars EU books/comics made for mature audiences?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by CrAsHcHaOs, Jul 22, 2014.

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  1. CrAsHcHaOs Force Ghost

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    I think that would be pretty cool. I mean, Dr. Who attempted it with its spin-off TV series "Torchwood" and that was strictly for adults.

    Also, Marvel (who, may I remind you, is also owned by Disney) and DC have their line of comic books made just for mature audiences as well.

    Would it work for Star Wars, you think?
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  2. Jedi Ben Chosen One

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    Define 'mature' - if all that's meant by it is swearing, shagging and gore, is that really 'mature' ?

    (Torchwood was crap. Series 3 was OK, 4 didn't grab me. Nor is Marvel's MAX line exactly flowering.)
  3. VadersLaMent Chosen One

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    You came in that thing?

    Look at the size of that thing!

    Sorry about the mess.

    Rise my friend.

    What are you talking about? It's already mature. And in ROTJ, there was a booby.
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  4. DelRiego Force Ghost

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    You mean like a series featuring an senior lawyer with traditional values and a strong moral code fighting the good fight to put those young Coruscanti punks in jail where they belong? Sure, i'm up for that!
  5. DigitalMessiah Chosen One

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    I'd like EU books that dare to break from formula and try new literary techniques like nested stories.

    It baffles me that of over a hundred SW novels only one has been published, with another imminent, that is in first person.

    There's absolutely no ambition on the publisher's part when it comes to Star Wars, at least not anymore.
  6. Zorrixor Chosen One

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    What Ben said.

    I'm all for more books like the horror ones-- I'm one of the few who probably enjoyed Red Harvest-- but I agree with Ben that swearing and shagging isn't what I enjoy (and why Torchwood underwhelmed me). I can, though, see the advantage in some less kiddy stories, as I don't want to see Star Wars become purely a children's oriented franchise, as there have been lots of deeper and more complex storylines over the years that I'd like us to continue to have more of.

    Take Traitor. That's not a kids book. The first page alone makes that apparent with the torture of the Embrace of Pain. If that's what we mean by mature, then I definitely am happy to get more Traitors with more creative language and deeper stories, and so I'd definitely get behind some more... for lack of a better word, "literary" creativity beyond the same old generic dross.
    So wrong. :p
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  7. mes520 Force Ghost

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    Yes, that depends how mature they're willing to go. I can handle some blood and violence, but no nudity thank you.
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  8. Scrubbed Force Ghost

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    I'm not really a big fan of "mature stuff" generally it seems like it just means screwing or screwed up.
  9. darkchrono Force Ghost

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    I think Star Wars would lose a good portion of it's potential audience if they made it to mature and adult oriented. I like Game of Thrones and I like The Walking Dead because it encompasses everything that real world scenarios like that would encompass. Although they are very fictitious programs they still hold true to how people caught up in those situations would likely act.

    However I do know there are a lot of people who want to escape all that brutal reality and I think that is a major thing that draws many people to Star Wars. Star Wars is like a King Arthur and Knights of the Roundtable type of story and it is a 'safe' movie going experience and it is a 'safe' fantasy world that you can wrap yourself in.
  10. Ender Sai Chosen One

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    Yeah I think if you want to read erotic fiction involving Twi'leks, you should basically sink to the level of fan-fic where you belong.

    But, if you want them to take risks by exploring the SW universe with new characters and new locations whilst retaining the spirit of Star Wars? You're going to miss out. No, it's vital we insert Boba and the Solos and Skywalkers into everything. If they're not in the story, even at age 90, it's not possible that audiences will read it. Sure, stories have invented new characters and told stories with them. But who likes Dark Forces, or the X-Wing books, or KOTOR? Nobody! They want more Solowalkers!

    Really, I would like books that aren't pure excrement; that aren't stupid attempts to shoehorn two genres together - much like Homer Simpson and his "Gum and Nuts", horror/military sci-fi and space opera don't mix - and aren't featuring senior citizens saving the galaxy with their trousers up near their armpits, as seniors are wont to do.
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  11. DelRiego Force Ghost

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    but... but Shatterpoint... Death Troopers... 80% of video games are SW meets something [face_worried]

    [IMG]
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  12. DigitalMessiah Chosen One

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    SW novels are content being McDonalds hamburgers, but is it really absurd to ask for the occasional filet mignon?

    And just to make it clear, I'm not asking for Star Wars novels to be War and Peace or Ulysses or something. More like Foundation. Or Shatterpoint or Traitor.
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  13. Rogue Five Jedi Master

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    Heh. Dark Forces, Kotor, and X-wing are my three favorite pieces of Star Wars media, right alongside the Original Trilogy.

    On topic, yes? I think? If by mature you mean, like Stover's novels, mature in themes, and not mindless rofl sex and violence.

    But there's already been some fairly mature Star Wats books, anyway. The zombie books, that latest Maul book...And I recall Kemp's books getting rather dark and disturbing too. Star Wars 1313 was going to be rated M. Mature seemed to be what they were shooting for pre-Disney. Now...who knows?
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  14. Charlemagne19 Chosen One

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    No.

    Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

    Nope nope nope nope nope.

    NOOOOOOO
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  15. sir PING1 Jedi Master

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    I can handle nudity, gore, swearing all day long and definitely enjoy many movies, TV shows, and games that are riddled with it. It has it's place in media and enjoy it in the right place and time. But some things just have a certain charm to them. Star Wars is one of them. I just can't imagine a Star Wars movie, book, comic or what ever with a full on sex scene or someone getting blown up into a million pieces in great detail. Star Wars has a certain magic that lets it elevate above the need to be graphic and for mature audiences only to have it be taken seriously by adults who can't find the inner child inside themselves. Star Wars has something for everyone and that's one of its greatest appeals and keeps me coming back year after year. For young people is all about the flashes and battles and funny bits. As an adult, I still appreciate those things, but the underlining story, the emotions, the complexities of the characters, and deepness of the universe has given a sort of second wind for Star Wars after I grew up to be an adult.

    TL/DR - No, the magic that makes Star Wars so special would be lost if it was riddled with sex and excessive gore and swearing.
  16. _Catherine_ Chosen One

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    I'd like Troy Denning's next book to be written in the style of House of Leaves.
  17. DarthJenari Force Ghost

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    Also have to ask you to define "mature". If that simply means more descriptive gorey scenes, and sex then I don't think it's necessary. One thing I enjoy about Star Wars, and many other books for that matter, is that it's able to appeal to people of all ages, without those things. If we're talking more philosophical type works similar to Traitor or Shadows of Mindor, books that can make readers sit back and think on what they're reading beyond just the story, then i'm all for it.
  18. darkchrono Force Ghost

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    This is what I would call mature. The scene wasn't overly gory but the meaning behind the scene blew people away.



    And here is the second part a few shots later.

  19. Praenomen Cognomen Force Ghost

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    Doesn't matter. Whatever serves the story. Angling one way or the other just isn't good writing practice.

    That said, Xizor got in the bone zone, and it. was. awkward.
  20. Hunter of Bounties Jedi Padawan

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    Star Wars could stand to become more brutal, the word "war" is in the name of the franchise, and what is war? War is hell. I'm fine with "reading with Jar-Jar" type stuff for the kiddos, but keep it out of the canon. For the love of God, keep it out of the canon.
  21. Vthuil Force Ghost

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    No.
  22. Orman Tagge Jedi Grand Master

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    No. I would rather see Star Wars revert to the silliness of its Marvel/Ewok movies/Holiday Special/Droids and Ewoks cartoon days then see it get "mature" and dark.

    I think Dark Horse and a few of the best authors (Zahn, Luceno, Stackpole) did get the ideal mixture of seriousness and wonder for Star Wars, and while they may have leaned towards the more mature side of things, any more would be excessive.

    Star Wars is not the place for a gritty reboot.
  23. Ender Sai Chosen One

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    If you want gritty horror/military/relationship stuff, and Mass Effect doesn't do it for, I suggest you buy a word processor and a shoehorn and write fan fic.
  24. Ackbar's Fishsticks Jedi Grand Master

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    I feel like it's been getting more mature for some time. The NJO did a pretty good job of showing the brutal nature of war, the toll death takes on people, not to mention the philosophical stuff in Traitor, and splitting the difference between that and the lighter optimism of the OT era. The heroes still get to overcome impossible odds and restore freedom to the galaxy - they just really, really, really have to earn the happy ending.

    Yeah, they can go "mature," but they can only go so far. Not really into watching Star Wars getting a Watchmen/Game Of Thrones style Gritty Deconstruction. (Though in a "what if?..." style alternate universe, it might be fun).
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  25. First Of My Name Jedi Master

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    I'd like it - assuming these new stories would be well written and not just have added nudity - but I can see why other people wouldn't like it.
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