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Would you rather the non-anamorphic version of the O-OT on DVD not be released?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by DarthButt, Jul 11, 2006.

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Would you rather the non-anamorphic version of the O-OT on DVD not be released?

Poll closed Mar 22, 2012.
  1. Yes

    37.8%
  2. No

    62.2%
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  1. Cryogenic

    Cryogenic Force Ghost star 5

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    Why is this a "generous" change of heart on Lucas' part when people can buy good Laserdisc rips off ebay for a fraction of the price that these upcoming DVDs are bound to cost?

    Who was telling Lucas this nonsense? Who actually wanted bog-standard Laserdisc rips of three classic films from a company that prides itself on being at the forefront of technological endeavour?
     
  2. BaronLandoCalrissian

    BaronLandoCalrissian Jedi Youngling star 3

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    It's not "generous" for a company to sell you something. The discs aren't free, and they cost the same as a porno to put out. It's like being grateful to McDonald's for bringing back the McRib. "You brought it back! Oh thank you..."
     
  3. LordHelmet1

    LordHelmet1 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    [Go-Mer-Tonic]
    This was in response to the daily request from millions of fans asking Lucas to release them sooner, and because Lucas' advisors were worried that escalating priacy would kill the DVD market before they could release them if they waited any longer. It's not lying to change your mind on a release plan.


    Everytime it is response to the fans because they were late to releasing everything. TPM came out on VHS in April 2000, and didn't come to DVD til Oct 2001. Why? Because Lucas wanted to milk the VHS market which was on its last limb, and say, "We have no plans to release TPM on DVD." So everyone will rush out to buy the VHS, which they did. Then a couple months later, they then announce the DVD, so everyone can buy it again. Lucas didn't get me on that one, some guy on Ebay got my 20 bucks for a bootleg TPM DVD in April 2000.

    The piracy on the OT DVD's were because SW OT was the last of all the big hits to come out on DVD, so everyone was buying bootlegs. DVD came out in 1997, you're telling me Lucasfilm couldn't find time for 7 years to put out a DVD set of the OT? Everyone was buying bootlegs back in 2000, so if they wanted to put a stop to illegal DVD's, they would have put it out sooner.

    Jurassic Park came out in 2000, Back to the Future Trilogy came out in 2002, Indiana Trilogy came out in 2003, and Terminator 1 & 2 came out in 2000 & 2001, fans were waiting for the OT for years cause DVD was becoming a giant in 2000-01.

    Lucas put out the OT on VHS in the summer of 2000 with a ten minute featurette of AOTC. That would have been the perfect time to put out the OT on DVD. The SE, the O-OT, documenataries, trailers, all in one set, so everyone is happy. Then if Lucas wants to re-release the movies with more changes, even the PT too, than it is up to the consumer, if they chose to buy more SW DVD's, because everyone atleast has what they want.

    But Lucas keeps saying, "I will never release it again," then the next year, "Due to popular demand." GoMer, did you ever hear of Public Relations? They can't just say, "Well, we are tyring to gouge as much money as possible from the fans, so we are going to say in 2004, the O-OT will never come out so all fans buy the SE, knowing full well that we will release the O-OT in the future so those same fans can double dip, and by the way, the SE disk will also be packed with the O-OT. Sorry.



     
  4. Go-Mer-Tonic

    Go-Mer-Tonic Jedi Youngling star 6

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    Because some of us don't priate movies, and we wanted nice laserdisc transfers too.
    Myself and millions of other Star Wars fans who said that if we couldn't convince him to fully restore an old print of the O-OT, the least he could do is put one of the laserdisc tranfers on there.

    Now that he is giving us what we wanted, I am happy, and don't expect him to go any further out of his way than he is.







    [b]LordHelmet1:[/b] [i]Everytime it is response to the fans because they were late to releasing everything. TPM came out on VHS in April 2000, and didn't come to DVD til Oct 2001. Why? Because Lucas wanted to milk the VHS market which was on its last limb, and say, "We have no plans to release TPM on DVD." So everyone will rush out to buy the VHS, which they did. Then a couple months later, they then announce the DVD, so everyone can buy it again. Lucas didn't get me on that one, some guy on Ebay got my 20 bucks for a bootleg TPM DVD in April 2000.[/i]

    [b]Congratulations on being a pirate. [face_happy] Like I said, their story is they wanted to wait until all the SW films were out before they released -any- SW films on DVD, then they changed their mind at overwhelming fan request. I bought the VHS because I didn't want to wait for the DVD, then I bought the DVD. It's not like I didn't think there would be a DVD, and truth be told I didn't want to wait. I wasn't duped, I chose to buy both of sound mind and body.[/b]

    [b]LordHelmet1:[/b] [i]The piracy on the OT DVD's were because SW OT was the last of all the big hits to come out on DVD, so everyone was buying bootlegs. DVD came out in 1997, you're telling me Lucasfilm couldn't find time for 7 years to put out a DVD set of the OT? Everyone was buying bootlegs back in 2000, so if they wanted to put a stop to illegal DVD's, they would have put it out sooner.[/i]

    [b]I'm telling you that they are saying they didn't want to put out a Star Wars DVD until all the films were complete. Not that he -couldn't- have done it sooner, but that he didn't -want- to do it that soon originally.[/b]

    [b]LordHelmet1:[/b] [i]Jurassic Park came out in 2000, Back to the Future Trilogy came out in 2002, Indiana Trilogy came out in 2003, and Terminator 1 & 2 came out in 2000 & 2001, fans were waiting for the OT for years cause DVD was becoming a giant in 2000-01.[/i]

    [b]Yes, the fans were waiting.[/b]

    [b]LordHelmet1:[/b] [i]Lucas put out the OT on VHS in the summer of 2000 with a ten minute featurette of AOTC. That would have been the perfect time to put out the OT on DVD. The SE, the O-OT, documenataries, trailers, all in one set, so everyone is happy. Then if Lucas wants to re-release the movies with more changes, even the PT too, than it is up to the consumer, if they chose to buy more SW DVD's, because everyone atleast has what they want.[/i]

    [b]Again the point isn't that he couldn't have, it's that he didn't want to yet. He wanted to wait until he had everything all finished, then release the finished films on DVD.[/b]

    [b]LordHelmet1:[/b] [i]But Lucas keeps saying, "I will never release it again," then t
     
  5. LordHelmet1

    LordHelmet1 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Congratulations on being a pirate. :) Like I said, their story is they wanted to wait until all the SW films were out before they released -any- SW films on DVD, then they changed their mind at overwhelming fan request. I bought the VHS because I didn't want to wait for the DVD, then I bought the DVD. It's not like I didn't think there would be a DVD, and truth be told I didn't want to wait. I wasn't duped, I chose to buy both of sound mind and body.

    It is one thing not to release any of the movies at all until the prequel films are done, but to release TPM on VHS in April 2000, and then the OT box set in June 2000, sounds like one more milking of the VHS market before they can double dip us with the DVDs of both?

    You say you are going by what their saying, I say they got your money twice for TPM, when you and I know if they put the TPM DVD out day-and-day release with the VHS version for fans to choose, you would have only bought the DVD version.

    Doesn't this sound all familiar with 'I am not releasing the O-OT in 2004, so you have to buy the SE if you want the OT on DVD." Now two years later, they are doing the same thing.

    GoMer, you call it 'going by what they say' and taking them at their word, I say, "How they have milked the cow with all these SW releases, when they fully could have done it right the first time, but that would mean less $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.





     
  6. Go-Mer-Tonic

    Go-Mer-Tonic Jedi Youngling star 6

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    LordHelmet1: It is one thing not to release any of the movies at all until the prequel films are done, but to release TPM on VHS in April 2000, and then the OT box set in June 2000, sounds like one more milking of the VHS market before they can double dip us with the DVDs of both?

    If they tell us that there is a DVD version coming at the time they make the VHS available (which they did) then it's up to the consumer to decide if they want to be double dipped. Like I was saying, I knew about the DVD on the horizon when I got the VHS, I did it because I didn't want to wait. If you were worried about being double dipped, you could have just waited for the eventual DVDs. You can't blame your lack of patience on Lucas.

    LordHelmet1: You say you are going by what their saying, I say they got your money twice for TPM, when you and I know if they put the TPM DVD out day-and-day release with the VHS version for fans to choose, you would have only bought the DVD version.

    Yes that's true. So what?

    LordHelmet1: Doesn't this sound all familiar with 'I am not releasing the O-OT in 2004, so you have to buy the SE if you want the OT on DVD." Now two years later, they are doing the same thing.

    First of all, the main difference here is that with the O-OT, Lucas had said he would never release them on DVD. The reason stated for his change of heart was to fulfill overwhelming fan demand for them. The fact remains that he made it clear that if you bought the DVD set at that time, it would only include the 2004 SE versions. He held a huge press conference just to explain what the set would include and to answer any questions about them people might have. So it's not like anyone was duped. If people bought that set, they weren't being told that it would have the O-OT on them, and at the time Lucas didn't think he would release the O-OT on DVD, so he wasn't lying about that.

    LordHelmet1: GoMer, you call it 'going by what they say' and taking them at their word, I say, "How they have milked the cow with all these SW releases, when they fully could have done it right the first time, but that would mean less $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

    Because nobody does it right the first time. Every movie ever released nationwide has always had to be left "good enough". No film is perfect.

    You talk about how Lucas is a double dipping feind, but I remind you about his original intent to wait until he was finished with them before he released them on DVD. In that case he was waiting so he -wouldn't- be double dipping on DVD, but we begged him to reconsider. We did it knowing that he wasn't finished with them, so I don't see how any of us could claim he is tricking us into buying these multiple versions.

    Lucas was damned when he didn't and now he's being damned cause he did.

    I mean it's real simple. He puts out a DVD set. He tells you what it is, what's on it, and if you think it's worth the price he's asking, then you can buy it if you want.

    If some of you think he's just trying to get your money, then don't give it to him. Stop buying Star Wars stuff.
     
  7. LordHelmet1

    LordHelmet1 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    [Go-Mer-Tonic]

    Because nobody does it right the first time. Every movie ever released nationwide has always had to be left "good enough". No film is perfect.

    You have summed up our argument by this sentence, and I thank you for it. Yes, I have numerous DVD's where the first version is perfect, and I don't feel the need to upgrade ever again on the DVD format:

    Heat
    Saving Private Ryan
    The Matrix (Original)
    The Untouchables
    A Few Good Men
    Witness
    The Godfather
    Donnie Brasco

    All have been re-released in some form or another as a new SE with new trailers, new documentaries, or more deleted scenes, and not one of them I have double dipped on because the first version was great quality Anamorphic Widescreen, 5.1 Dolby Digital. So, quality wise, the first DVD's for all these movies were perfect, it was the bonus features I choose not to avoid when they were re-released.

    The difference is the O-OT is not in perfect quality in September, and if it is re-released again in anamorphic video in 2007 or 2008? Then that will be the first DVD set I will re-buy. If Lucas had put out the O-OT in Anamorphic Video in 2004, and then he kept putting out saga boxsets with more changes, then it is up to consumer if they feel the need to double dip. SW movies on DVD have always been a guessing game with the fans, and to me that is an easy way to take advantage of them.


     
  8. DarthButt

    DarthButt Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Take the discussion of this to the official thread, please.
     
  9. Cryogenic

    Cryogenic Force Ghost star 5

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    Eh?

    Are you saying that stuff isn't on topic?
     
  10. DarthButt

    DarthButt Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I'm saying that there is an official thread for drawn out discussion and debating. This is not the place for that.
     
  11. Go-Mer-Tonic

    Go-Mer-Tonic Jedi Youngling star 6

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    Yes the "can we trust Lucas" stuff is a bit impertanant to the idea of wether or not he should release the O-OT at all if it's only going to be an anamorphic release.

    Suffice it to say, I don't have any reason to believe Lucas has been lying about all this stuff, and you guys suspect he has been.

    To me, I would rather have an Anamorphic version of the O-OT, but if that's not happening then I'll glady accept the Non-Anamorphic version. Even if that was enough to make it so I wouldn't want to buy that set, I woudn't wish they didn't put it out, because I know a ton of people who will be plenty happy with this set as it is.
     
  12. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Chosen One star 6

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    You know - as bad as things have been around here lately (and things have been pretty bad!) - it's good to see that even lots of 'gushers' are critical of Lucas on this matter .

    Lucas needs to start showing the OOT the respect it deserves, and quick .

    g

     
  13. Go-Mer-Tonic

    Go-Mer-Tonic Jedi Youngling star 6

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    Should Lucas do this for all the people who don't show him any respect?

    If you ask me, the 2004 SE version is showing the classic trilogy the respect it deserves.

    Also, I don't undertsand the "gusher/basher" mentality. I never did and I never will. Everyone has their own individual opinions, there are no "teams".
     
  14. DARTHFINGERZ

    DARTHFINGERZ Jedi Padawan star 4

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    ^^ Thank you! I agree. The problem with those labels (and with most labels for that matter) is that they tend to attach any given person to a presumptuous list of thoughts and opinions that take zero account of the many possible differences between individuals.
     
  15. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Chosen One star 6

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    Should Lucas do this for all the people who don't show him any respect?

    He should do it for the OOT and all those that have loved it over the years.

    If you ask me, the 2004 SE version is showing the classic trilogy the respect it deserves.

    the 2004 versions are not the same as the OOT .

    Also, I don't undertsand the "gusher/basher" mentality. I never did and I never will. Everyone has their own individual opinions, there are no "teams".

    The term gusher was around long before I got here.


    Everyone has their own individual opinions, there are no "teams".

    actually that's kinda what I'm saying - on this issue of the OOT debacle gushers and bashers have agreed more than on anything it seems to me.


    g


     
  16. LordHelmet1

    LordHelmet1 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I don't think anyone around here when you come right down to it is a basher or gusher, but what has happened is the lines have been blurred between liking and loving all 6 films.

    For instance, I love ANH & ESB, and I enjoy the other 4 films, but I will critique them in the same vein too, cause I think ROTJ, TPM, AOTC, and ROTS could have been better, so it isn't just a PT problem with me.

    But what has happened is I have gotten labeled a basher, cause I defend SW '77 from fans saying it is 'meh' and I defend the O-OT cause it was the movies I watched for over 20 years hundreds of times before 1997.

    So I don't think I am a basher, but when you take the stances I do around, many will label me that. And to me that is the biggest shame on this site, cause I say we are all alot closer in our views of the movies then we think.
     
  17. Grand_Moff_Jawa

    Grand_Moff_Jawa Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I'll take the O-OT on DVD any way I can get it. As long as the picture is decent, I'll be fine with it. I don't own a widescreen TV, so the anamorphic issue is moot for me.
     
  18. Sanctuary_Moon

    Sanctuary_Moon Jedi Youngling star 3

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    and then...


    Go-Mer, can't you see the contradiction here? How is it possible to take anything Lucas says on face value when he will only change his mind about it later?
     
  19. DarthButt

    DarthButt Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    REMINDER NOTE:
    Given that we have an Official Thread on this topic - **Official Thread** The unaltered Original Trilogy to be released on DVD - any sort of debating or arguing of the topic of this thread is not allowed. If you would like to debate this topic, please see the official thread. You may vote in this poll, and give a description on why you chose what you did - but again, an active discussion and debating of this subject is not allowed here. There is plenty of that going on in the official thread, where this type of discussion is welcome.
     
  20. Darth_Punk

    Darth_Punk Jedi Master star 4

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    Ok. Mine was a no vote.
    The reason, I have the OT on VHS, and on my TV, the quality is fine. Its starting to degrade now, but that is the age of the VHS not the original quality.
    If I can get a laserdisk quality on a DVD then all is good.

    Will I buy it? Most definatly not straight away.

    I have spent too much money on Star Wars movies over the years, and cant justify spending money on a 6th version of the same movies, especilly if there is a better release a couple of years away.
    I will probably wait a few years until the quality of my VHS is unwatchable, and see if there is a more high tech version out there. If Lucas thinks not to, then I will simply buy this release on Ebay. Completly legally, and probably for $2.00
     
  21. Winston_Sith

    Winston_Sith Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I'm fine with the way it's going to be released.

    (Non-Anamorphic) Widescreen has been good to me.

    "I own a regular TV, Obi-Wan! I see through the lies of the HDTV-owning fanboys! I don't fear the Non-Anamorphic Widescreen as you do!"
     
  22. LordHelmet1

    LordHelmet1 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Even on a regular TV you are still getting 30% less resolution when the DVD is not anamorphic. In the next few years, HDTV will become more mainstream, and alot more people will be buying them, including yourself, and you will be shocked when you pop in the O-OT and you wonder why the image only covers half the screen, then you will understand those weren't lies from those HDTV owning fanboys!

    I just love listening to fans who now enjoy mediocre SW releases, and have no problem with Lucas being the only studio company this year to release a DVD in non-anamorphic.
     
  23. yankee8255

    yankee8255 Force Ghost star 6

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    I voted yes. I'd like to think Luca´sfilm would put out something better than what I could get over at ebay that someone with the laserdiscs and a pc could have put together.

    Sadly, what seemed like a genuine olive-branch being extended to fans of the oot now seems like a cheap attempt to make more mone off another repackaging.

    I'm holding out another year in the hopes that the anniversary will bring us something better. If not, ebay here I come.
     
  24. TurboExtremist

    TurboExtremist Jedi Master star 2

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    Along with Laserdiscs and a PC, you would need a very expensive type of LD player to get the best quality copy.
     
  25. jedipadawanjoe14

    jedipadawanjoe14 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    exactly!
    i 100% agree

    i mean, i dont blame him for not giving the O-Ot the golden treatment when hes being bashed 24/7 by star wars "biggest fans"
     
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