Wrestlemania 21

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  1. LordRevan19 Force Ghost

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    Anybody going to order it this sunday?
    I am! Its going to be awesome!
    These are the people I want to win:
    Eddie G
    Kane
    Christy
    HBK
    BIG SHOW
    Batista
    John Cena
    Undertaker

  2. DVader316 Jedi Grand Master

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    Feb 18, 2000
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    For the first time in about seven years I wont be watching Wrestlemania. I stopped watching about nine months ago and have absolutely zero in it this time around.
  3. LordRevan19 Force Ghost

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    Sometimes I get out of the ring of watching it every week. Stone Cold is going to be back in Pipers Pit talking about his movie "Condemned"
  4. Atticus Jedi Master

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    I have quit watching wrestling ever since I went to Wrestlemania acouple years ago. I forget which one it was, either 18 or 19, when it was in Washington. I used to really like it but then I just stopped and haven't had the urge to go back to it.
  5. wild_karrde Chosen One

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    Still looking for a bar around here. I haven't missed a Mania since 1998, but I think this year the streak might end :(
  6. Cobranaconda Force Ghost

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    I stopped watching in 2001. It got too soap opera style for me. If I wanted a soap I'd watch Eastenders.
  7. Drew_Atreides Force Ghost

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    ..eh, i haven't watched wrestling regularly since Wrestlemania 19..

    I have a friend, however, who is doing his best to get me to come over to watch it..

    And the Angle-HBK match just might be enough to get me over there..Two of my all-time favourites, there, although i hear they're both struggling right now..
  8. DVader316 Jedi Grand Master

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    I actually would like to see the Angle/HBK match, but not enough to sit through the rest of the card for it.
  9. LordRevan19 Force Ghost

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    Aren't you guy's excited about the Orton Vs Undertaker match, Legend Vs. Lenged Killer
    Undertaker will be going for his 13th win in a row at wrestlmania!
  10. DVader316 Jedi Grand Master

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    Nope. Could care less about UnderSeller. Id give Vince alot of credit if he has Orton go over (itd go a long way in repairing the damage done to his aborted push as a hotshot World Champ last year) but I just dont see it happening.
  11. Dark-Shady Force Ghost

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    I seen every Wrestlemania since 5 but i might skip this one.
    Only two thing i want to see UnderTaker VS Orton, Kurt Angle VS HBK.
    I'm not gonna waste $50
  12. Drew_Atreides Force Ghost

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    ..yeah, i haven't been an Undertaker fan for awhile, and Orton...

    Well, let's just say that none of the young up-and-comers have ever shown me ANYTHING..

    I still cannot believe that BAUTISTA is headlining.....

    Wow...
  13. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    Wrestlemania 8, 9 & 10 were the span of my interest (well, and the preceeding 1-7 I caught on VHS). About the only thing that piques my interest here is the return of Piper's Pit (because, well, Roddy Piper rules).

    And it'll always be the WWF to me ;)
  14. Drew_Atreides Force Ghost

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    ..yeah, i'd say that 9 (at Ceasar's Palace) would have to be my favourite Wrestlemania..

    Macho Man and Bobby Heenan on commentary are just hysterical.. Worth the price of admission alone..

    You just don't have the characters that you once did in Wrasslin', anymore..
  15. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    I rather liked 8 myself- the Ultimate Warrior showing up outta nowhere to save Hogan was one of the best moments ever.
  16. Qonas Jedi Master

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    One of the reasons we don't have characters and comedy like that anymore, is Vince's insistance on everything being tightly scripted nowadays. Back then, the wrestlers were only told the key storyline points to hit. They had the freedom to get to those points by however means they wanted. Today there's the talent for the WWE to be just as good as anything else, I mean from the glimpses we've seen in the past you can't tell me Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho, Edge and Christian wouldn't become HUUUGE. Trips is still around, with Flair, and JBL has shown tons of potential with the stick and with his character. Not to mention there's an up-and-comer in Carlito. It's just the wrestlers can't improv their promos anymore, or just allow 'moments' to happen. The writers truly do script everything nowadays.

    Anyways, I'll be seeing Wrestlemania tonight at the local digital theatre with a bunch of friends. It's a great place, heh, a digital movie theatre that shows the WWE PPVs for regular movie prices, plus they sell beer. Good stuff. Here are my predictions followed by what I'd want to happen:

    World Heavyweight Championship
    Batista over HHH/Batista over HHH

    WWE Championship
    Cena over JBL/JBL over Cena

    Interpromotional Match of the Century
    Kurt Angle over HBK/Kurt Angle over HBK

    Money in the Bank
    Edge wins/Christian wins

    Interpromotional Legendary Match
    Undertaker over Orton/Taker over Orton, Orton is "sacrificed"

    "Friendly" Grudge Match
    Eddie over Rey, turns heel/Rey over Eddie, Rey turns heel in a double-team attack alongside Chavo

    Women's Championship
    Christy over Trish/Trish over Christy, Molly comes out and destroys Christy, challenges Trish for the title and wins

    Sumo Match
    Akebono over Big Show/Akebono over Big Show
  17. Drew_Atreides Force Ghost

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    ..eh, i dunno that it's the scripting so much as it is just forcing people to try to portray a character that they just aren't..

    Edge and Christian were just TREMENDOUS as goofy heels, but when Vince tried to repackage Edge as this serious, intense face....It just didn't work. I could NOT take Edge seriously, he was so BAD playing the character...

    Jericho, gosh, i could write a book on how frustrating that guy is... TERRIFIC on the mic, and a talented worker to boot. Unfortunately, whenever he's given the spotlight, he NEVER fails to screw something up..He just blows spots like CRAZY when the pressure is on..

  18. DVader316 Jedi Grand Master

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    I think that its more than that with Jericho. When he was given the WWF Championship he was effectively buried as a champion and his feud with HHH meant nothing. All of the focus was on HHH and McBoobs while Jericho was literally forced to clean up after her dog. [face_plain] Since he was never part of HHH's little asskissing clique than he would never get a shot at a real run with the title. Now he says he doesnt care, that it isnt about titles for him and never really was. I guess he just sort of gave up playing the political game and now he 'knows his role', if you will.
  19. Qonas Jedi Master

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    People read too much into this "HHH holds people back" business. Just look at Wrestlemania 18, and the Jericho situation. Yeah the storyline was screwed up beyond all measure, and the WWF basically showed Jericho had no chance of retaining the belt and basically almost forgot he was there. But that was all HHH and Steph? I don't think so. Austin was still working at this time, and in fact refused the Hogan program becaue of what Hogan did to him (and others) in WCW. Yet Austin had no compunctions about working with or putting over Hunter. You think Austin would work with another person who'd keep talent down so they could remain on top? The Wrestlemania 18 main event storyline was just another in a long-list of a blown opportunity that hurt a wrestler's career, thanks to a horrible idea and execution.
  20. DVader316 Jedi Grand Master

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    You may or may not be right, but either way I just dont care anymore. I have absolutely zero interest in wrestling these days.
  21. FORCEOF1 Jedi Knight

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    First of all, let me say that I'm almost 30 and pro wrestling is my one vice left to me. I was not a huge fan as a kid, but started watching in '95 or so and haven't stopped since. At times it's frustrating and maddening, but for the most part I enjoy it. I mean, it's live entertainment every week and there's no re-runs.

    Wrestlemania 21 was worth the price for the 6-man ladder match (Shelton Benjamin is awesome and Benoit should have won) and the Angle/HBK match which was incredible, and the crowd there knew it too. It was great to watch execution at that level. The rest was predictable and true to form.

    It might be the time period when I started watching, but I've always been partial to HBK and HHH. When either of them are hurt, the show hurts, badly. When they were both out in '02, I almost didn't make it until Hunter's return.

    Don't get me wrong, Stone Cold and Rock are fun guys to watch, but they don't have the ring skills to keep things interesting over the long haul.

    In all fairness, Smackdown pretty much sucks. They've had to manufacture main-eventers due to injury (Eddie Guerrero, JBL, Big Show) that they've saturated the top of the marquise with crap. It didn't help that Vince and Shane invested so much into Brock Lesnar only to have him jet. Cena is that brand's saving grace. We'll see how he handles the belt.

    RAW has three young superstars in Batista, Orton, and Shelton Benjamin. Real talent and star potential. Shelton needs some mic skills and Batista needs to extend his mat-skills. The Pedigree isn't all that interesting, it's how HHH gets to the Pedigree that's the fun part.

    The WWE is reallt only now getting over the WCW merger, and I think it's getting better because of HHH, not in spite of him. Without HHH's support through Evolution, RAW would be in the same shape Smackdown is in. HHH hanging with Flair because he is our generation's Ric Flair. I don't boo when he talks, I listen because he has his finger on the pulse of the business, and he speaks the truth. self diluted as it may be, it is the truth.

    Sorry about the rambling, didn't realize I'd thought so much about this.

    FORCEOF1
  22. LORDeron_MAULer Jedi Master

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    i don't think i've seen a live or semi-live pay-per view since Wreslmania 13, and even then i left before the ain event was finihsed.


    but i stopped liking wrestling in mid 2002.

    i dunno about all the stuff now
  23. DVader316 Jedi Grand Master

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    No way is HHH the Ric Flair of this era. He doesnt even come close to Flair's workrate and charisma when he was in his prime. If anyone is even close to being our generation's Ric Flair its Shawn Michaels.
  24. FORCEOF1 Jedi Knight

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    DVader316

    Respectfully I disagree. Flair never missed 5 years at any time in his career.

    And of course, there's this:
    Ric Flair 16 time World Champ
    HHH 10 time World Champ
    Shawn Michaels 4 time World Champ
  25. Drew_Atreides Force Ghost

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    ...oooh i dunno.. It's tought to compare them like that..

    Way i look at things: Michaels was in his prime during the darkest days of the WWF..

    During the mid 90's, the only reasons to tune into a WWF PPV AT ALL was to see Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart wrestle. Those two carried the ENTIRE federation. While Hart was normally the one who was cheered, and was a very adept technical wrestler, it was Michaels' charisma and cocky-attitude that REALLY made the matches..

    Rarely did those two guys disappoint in a main event.

    As someone who has rented pretty much every old PPV from the local videostore that i can find, i can tell you that those PPVS, with all the cheesy cowboys and hillbillys who couldn't wrestle, were still MUCH more entertaining then anything that has come out recently with Hunter in the driver's seat.

    I guess the best way to say this is like so:

    I wouldn't hesitate to rent a PPV that had Shawn Michaels in the main event.

    I wouldn't hesitate to rent a PPV with Ric Flair ANYWHERE on the card.


    But a PPV with HHH in the main event? He just doesn't have that "oh wow, i gotta see this match" quality to him. He tries hard. You can SEE that he tries hard, but he just doesn't have what Michaels and Flair have.

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