JCC WTF is an E-Cigarette?

I think you're weird.

They're banned here, apparently.

 

I am weird. This is new?

 

What the hell for?

 

Okay, I read that wrong. Nothing to see here...

 

Our TGA classifies nicotine as poison, with a special exemption for tobacco products. Not being a tobacco product, they are not exempt and thus illegal. Or that was the case when I first heard about these.

Of course you can still buy them online and nobody will care but it's illegal to sell them in a shop here.

 

There is so much wrong with what you're describing, I don't know where to begin.

 

From the articles I've seen on it it's a'Toy smoking?! WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!!!' vibe.

They also cite a lack of studies or information on the long-term safety of inhaling just nicotine (though given the huge amount of studies on the long-term safety of inhaling tobacco smoke, this seems somewhat hypocritical.)

 

E-cigs...something for everybody today.

 

Yeah, the anti-smoking lobby is kinda crazy here...but there are worse things to be crazy about I guess...

 

I don't see what's hypocritical about it. It's not as if the anti-smoking lobby wouldn't like to see a complete ban on tobacco products one day. They just don't have the political power to achieve it yet.

Further, this thing is being marketed as a tobacco cessation product. I don't see why it's unreasonable that someone produce reliable safety data on a medical device before they start selling it to people as such. Otherwise, we're back to the days of snake oil.

 

Well, considering the health labels (been on cigarettes since the 90's and getting more graphic as they went along), the barriers that have to cover the cigarattes now, plain packaging and a ban on advertising...banning e-cigarettes doesn't seem so crazy.

They won't get rid of them though, government love the taxes too much.

 

if they were happy with it then why did they return it?

 

I would guess that the Blu and the V2 are not the same.

 

A few things.

1) The product is marketed as a tobacco replacement product, vice a cessation product. It's true that there is some marketing for cessation, but most are trying to offer nicotine without the most common negative side effects of smoking.
2) It's not a medical device and isn't sold as such.
3) How would one go about getting reliable safety data exactly? How many years of studies would be acceptable before we conclude that it's acceptable? There's a huge difference between snake oil sales, which made wide, unverifiable claims in an environment where feedback from other customers was virtually impossible and selling a product in the information age where every user has the opportunity to voice his or her (dis)satisfaction.

I prefer to make my own choices and accept the risk. I smoked for 17 yrs and tried a number of "proven" methods to quit. None proved effective. I tried e-cigs and haven't even had a desire for a real cigarette since. Now, I'm still using nicotine, albeit at a much lower rate than a year ago, but I'm ok with that.

 

We’ve come so far these last seven years.

 

We're banning e-cigarettes in San Francisco.

 

In the UK as far as I can tell they are definitely legal for adults, and using them is allowed in public places and work places. However, businesses and pubs, restaurants, etc have the ability to set their own policy.

 

I've been trying to persuade my dad, who can smoke a hundred cigarettes in a day if given a chance, to take up vaping instead. Unfortunately...

...such stories from the start of the "e-cigarette" craze means he refuses to give it a try, even though it gives him the nicotine hit, and lets him exercise all the physical ticks he associates with his addiction.

The fact that vaping has taken off and has taken a chunk out of the tobacco industry makes me happy in itself. It's even recognised as a healthy step towards quitting smoking by the NHS now. Unfortunately, it's just not enough to save some people from actual cigarettes.

 

You could point out to your dad that cigarettes can also cause burns and set fire to things if one falls asleep while smoking. Maybe some reviews of particular products would help. Or take him to a vape shop where he can see what's on offer. (I know we have at least one in the town I'm in. It's right on the High Street.)

 

It's funny that 7 years later I've seen less and less of the 8 on the left and more people having the Big Kahuna on the far right.

 

If I had one it would probably be one that doesn't look like a cigarette. But I don't think I'd want the Big Kahuna. (I don't smoke so vaping really doesn't appeal).

 

vaping never worked for me. didn't feel like smoking any more than the patch or the gum or any of the other things that i tried. so ymmv i guess.

i've made it nearly 18 months without smoking and i'm glad that i kicked nicotine at the same time, but if those nicotine substitutes work for others i think that's awesome. i wish they'd worked for me.

 

Is nicotine on its own bad for you, or is it all the other stuff in the cigarette?

 

Quick check with Doctor Google says that nicotine can be associated with cardiovascular disease and birth defects.

 

Nicotine on its own has detrimental effects, quite apart from the addictive properties.