WTH happens to the ARC troopers?

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  1. ARCstudent Jedi Knight

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    Do they all die or are they just wearing white. It seems that all that is left is the white storm troopers. And the red general in XXIII. The 2nd trailer shows blue stormtroopers in a gun tower but that hardly seems like advanced recon.
  2. ROTS_Obi1 Jedi Master

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    That wasn't the same red general. There are millions of clone soldiers.
  3. ARCstudent Jedi Knight

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    Well in AotC you see several officers, wheras in epXXIII you only see white and one red general. And in the original trilogy you only see white stormtroopers. So is the specialization fading out or have they all died. I don't read the EU stuff and was wondering if anyone who has can shed light.
  4. Darth_Desolate Jedi Master

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    They all grow too old. ARC troopers were some of the first ones made. They grew old. Probably became admirals or something.
  5. Skywalk272 Jedi Master

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    Yes..too old to keep fighting..

    Now some EU authors have the idea that th growth acceleration continues in the clones..and that their entire life span is maybe fourty years at the most..

    However some authors, the comics for sure, contend that the accelaration must stop at adulthood somehow...

    BUt either way they would probbaly reach the retirement age..

    My other guess is that some ARC troopers were probably independent enough to fight against their programming of turning Against the jedi
  6. Arch_Clone_Trooper Jedi Master

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    i agree with sky.
    i think that a good number of clones still flowed the jedi becasue that was there "programming" to follow orders from the jedi, Not the emporer. and yes they do grow too old to keep fighting. some comic guys say that the growth acceleration is stoped on kamino buy the kaminoians when the clones are sent out, but that they cant fight as well in about 20-30 years making them less effective and probably dieing in battle. Probably used for decoy missions or suicide missions.

    in ANH the stormtroopers have differnet shoulder pads and i think one of my friends says that they have ensignima on there shoulders like our army.
    ....dont qoute me on that....
  7. ARCstudent Jedi Knight

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    I read some post trilogy novels and it seems like stormtroopers are rare commodities and should not be wasted. Does this mean that ep3 has something to do with the destruction of cloning technology?
  8. Drac39 Force Ghost

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    I`d imagine being killed in battle,and being too old got rid of the ARCs.

    Remember they were trained by Jango who didnt live very long,so there werent hardly any...
  9. jedimastermatthew Jedi Youngling

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    well during the clone wars the ARC troopers are slowly phased out for clone commando's. the ARC troopers are basiclly clear cut clones of jango so they can become rebellious and one even went rouge and restarted the mandalorian race because he got all the memories of jango some how. anyway by the time of the empire the ARC troopers are probably gone and commando's are in.
  10. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    There are still ARC's around, just not as many as there used to be, and many of those surviving ARC's were brought back to Kamino to train the new Clone Commanders which sorta replace them or, at the very least, become a more main-line implementation of the same concept as an ARC.
  11. ARCstudent Jedi Knight

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    So are the officers in the OT former ARC's or commando's since they have the ability to think independently?
  12. Qu_Klaani Jedi Master

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    "Do they all die or are they just wearing white. It seems that all that is left is the white storm troopers."

    The disapearance of any colouring from Imperial stormtroopers could be due to thei difference in ideology between the Republic and the Empire. The Republic allows for individualism amongst its forces, whereas the New order is far more authoritarian. Plus they look scarier in plain white, which is something the Empire would go for.

    Also, the ARCs trained many specialised units of the republic army, leading to those units stlying their armour after the ARCs, and this influence is still found years later:
    [image=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/Qu_klaani/sandtroopers.jpg]

    edit: Rereading the original post I get the feeling you actually meant where did all the ARCs go towards the end of the war (the term stormtroopers threw me,) and the answer is they're probably not in service much anymore, having settled into the training roles, but you'll see something very similar to ARC troopers in may:

    [image=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/Qu_klaani/commanderbly.jpg]
  13. HHH356 Jedi Padawan

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    Allright fellas here is my 2 cents on the whole thing. After please only poke lightly with the sharp sticks

    ARC to my knowledge it stands for Advance Recon Commando so are they different or did they just change the name. I am not sure but hey.

    Stormtroopers are not clones. As far as I understand all the EU stuff. Cloning will outlawed by the empire so that no force could be grown and trained in secret to challenge them. In the Thrawn trilogy here has to travel to wayland where the Emperor's storehouse was located to find cloning equipment wich they said was illegal after the clone wars. Another point to back this up is in the EU books when one of the jedi reach out with the force to clones they fell like a buzzing or reverb I forget what the exact text was but they don't say anything about it with the legions of stormtroopers they play with.

    As far as coloring on the uniforms the rank structure of the republic and empire are diffent the sholder thing in ANH I think is like squad leader or somthing the officers have the red and blue bars on the outside of there uniforms like in ESB in the AT-AT it shows what I am talking about.

    And as far as what happened to the clones I think they are all dead. killed in action or liquidated by the empire If you get my drift.

    But that is my take on the whole thing I could be wrong but there you have it.
  14. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    Actually, the Empire maintains a mix of clones and recruits with the stormtroopers. However, at some point the cloning facilities are more or less destroyed and thus, by the time of the Thrawn Trilogy, most remaining clone stormtroopers have pretty much been killed off and are fairly rare (the result of the various Imperial warlord campaigns and infighting, as well as the clone dEmperor secretly recallingr esources to Byss), thus why people are so surprised to find cloned troopers during Thrawn's campaign (to say nothing at the alamring speed at which he was able to grow them).
  15. calidevilguy Jedi Knight

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    HHH356: According to GL all the Stormtroopers are clones. Hes says in the AotC commentary that had Jango bang his head on the Slave 1 door since some stromtroopers bang their heads in the OT (ANH), he thought it'd be funny if Jango passed that trait to all the stromtroopers. The EU stuff was mostly writen BEFORE AotC came out and they had no reason to believe the Stromtroopers were clones, now we know different.
  16. calidevilguy Jedi Knight

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    An example of this would be in ANH, when Han and Luke get the Stromtroopers to go into the falcon he calls down and says "TK-421", not private (or any rank) and a name.
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    >>Hes says in the AotC commentary that had Jango bang his head on the Slave 1 door since some stromtroopers bang their heads in the OT (ANH), he thought it'd be funny if Jango passed that trait to all the stromtroopers.<<


    However he was joking about that, and has more recently said there were multiple templates for the stormtrooeprs that eere clones. And, from a logistical standpoint, using recruits to fill out the ranks is quicker and more cost efficient than cloning.
  18. calidevilguy Jedi Knight

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    The2ndQuest: No, he wasn't. He wouldn't take the time to have Jango bump his head cuse hes joking, the Stromtroopers in OT are still clones of Jango. Its straight from the creator of the universe's mouth, the Stromtroopers are clones of Jango, can't get any simplier then that.

    Just like it is now Genoicians (sp) that built the Death Star, not Wookie slaves.
  19. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    >No, he wasn't.<<

    Yes he was, beyond the obviousness of the humorous tone h has when saying that, there is no genetic "bumping your head" trait for Jango to pass on, thus the absurdity further reenforces the humorous nature of the remark.

    Unless you also believe Yoda is Kermit's offspring?

    >>He wouldn't take the time to have Jango bump his head cuse hes joking<<

    The whole point of having Jango bump his head in the movie was as a nod/in-joke to the infamous blooper in ANH. There wasn't some deeper meaning behind it.

    >>the Stormtroopers in OT are still clones of Jango.<<

    Some are still Jango clones while others (according to Lucas) are clones of other people, and the rest (according to the EU) are recruits.

    >>Just like it is now Genoicians (sp) that built the Death Star, not Wookie slaves. <<

    No, the Geonosians helped designed it, not actually built it (though I suppose it's possible they might theoretically be attributed to the construction of the Death Star Prototype).
  20. calidevilguy Jedi Knight

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    A director does not have his actor act like bumping his head or have his animators take the time and money to have the character bump his head just so he can make a joke on the DVD. He wanted it there for a reason, and that was to make a small connection between Jango and the Stromtroopers. If it was just a nod to the bluper from ANH he would have said it was just a nod. There are also lots of rumors that Morrison will rerecord all the stromtrooper dialog for the 2007 box set release of the whole saga.

    Some of the EU is no longer correct, the Stromtroopers are clones of Jango, Corran Horn's father wasn't a Jedi, Geonosians build the Death Star (According to GL) and C-3PO is not 125 (I think thats the number) years old etc...
  21. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    >>A director does not have his actor act like bumping his head or have his animators take the time and money to have the character bump his head just so he can make a joke on the DVD.<<

    No, they did it as a joke in the film, nodding to the ANH blooper. He makes a further joke about it on the commentary track by suggesting it's genetic.

    >>If it was just a nod to the bluper from ANH he would have said it was just a nod.<<

    I believe he's pretty much said this in the commentary.

    >>There are also lots of rumors that Morrison will rerecord all the stromtrooper dialog for the 2007 box set release of the whole saga.<<

    Well, if what Lucas says is true, then that rumor is false since there are multiple clone sources, according to him, explaining why they are of different heights and voices.

    If he wanted the stormtroopers to be all Jango clones, there was nothing stopping him from doing so with the current DVD, since he went through the trouble of getting Morrison to rerecord Boba's dialogue. He could hve easily done the stormtrooper lines at the same time if Lucas desired it.

    >>the Stromtroopers are clones of Jango<<

    Some are, yes. The EU never said otherwise.

    >>Corran Horn's father wasn't a Jedi<<

    Corran Horn's lineage was never addressed in the films that I know of.

    >>and C-3PO is not 125 (I think thats the number) years old<<

    Technically 3PO is still 112 years old- or at least some of him is (like his processor/brain). Remember Anakin built him out of existing droid components.

    I understand where are you coming from- the films imply one thing, but further information from the continuity elaborates on aspects further.

    Regardless, in this case, the question is about the Clone Wars cartoon and the ARC Troopers- two things that are part of the EU, thus the full explaination from the EU applies. Which means factoring recruits into the equation beyond the different clone sources the films establish (or coming to the same conclusion using logistical analysis).
  22. calidevilguy Jedi Knight

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    The2ndQuest: If it was a nod, GL would have said it was a nod, he's done many times before in his commentary's. The banging of the head was him putting a little joke in and showing that Jango passed that trait along, and trying to "infer" what GL "really" meant is just stupid. Accept it, Stromtroopers are clones of Jango. The EU where other people (non-clones) are stromtroopers is wrong. We have it from GL's mouth - the stromtroopers are clones of Jango. Hell even look at the databank, characters like Han Solo, and Crix Madine have had their involment with the Empire taken out of the movie section of their bios since AotC. I know you don't like it, but its just the facts of the SWU now.

    It was addressed in the films that Jedi do not marry and have children, there for Corrans father was not a Jedi, simple as that.

    C-3PO is not 112 years old. Thats like saying if I build a car using a 50 year old chasy I just build a 50 year old car. Anakin used spare parts he found at Watto's a build a droid, C-3PO is not 112 years old anymore, that EU is wrong.
  23. Merekvin Jedi Padawan

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    I don't know if it helps in your discussion, but I read somewhere ( possibly in the star wars galaxies manual ) that cloning became illegal during the times of the empire ( like so many other things ). So I'd guess the kaminoans' cloning facilities were shut down, thus forbidding the production of clones ( this means arc troopers too ). I also read elsewhere that they were rendered absolete since the following generations of clone troopers evolved, reaching the the quality and skill level of the arc troopers. Of course many illegal things were allowed to Palpatine, who created his own cloning facility on Byss, which ( I think ) was later discovered by Thrawn who also made a clone of himself ( which was destroyed later on ). Sorry for spelling errors if there are any.
  24. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    >>If it was a nod, GL would have said it was a nod, he's done many times before in his commentary's. The banging of the head was him putting a little joke in and showing that Jango passed that trait along, and trying to "infer" what GL "really" meant is just stupid.<<

    You're the one trying to infer something is there. And again, banging your head on a door is not a trait you can pass on- that's sort of the whole point of the joke.


    >>Accept it, Stromtroopers are clones of Jango.<<

    Some are, yes.

    >>The EU where other people (non-clones) are stromtroopers is wrong.<<

    Why is that? It would make sense for them to use recruitment to expand the ranks of their forces. It's a quicker and less expensive method than cloning.

    >>We have it from GL's mouth - the stromtroopers are clones of Jango.<<

    And clones of other people.

    >>Hell even look at the databank, characters like Han Solo, and Crix Madine have had their involment with the Empire taken out of the movie section of their bios since AotC.<<

    Which is irrelevent as neither were traiming to become stormtroopers- the former was in the naval academy (ala Piett or Ozzel) and the latter in the army (ala Veers).

    >>It was addressed in the films that Jedi do not marry and have children, there for Corrans father was not a Jedi, simple as that.<<

    Well if you are going to factor in discussion of Corran Horn than you're going to have to factor in the further stories that elaborate on Corellian culture and the rules & traditions of the Corellian Jedi, which do allow for such things. You can't isolate one from the other.

    >>C-3PO is not 112 years old. Thats like saying if I build a car using a 50 year old chasy I just build a 50 year old car.<<

    Bad comparison- a more apt example would be building a computer. If you took a processor from a computer thats 10 years old and then built a computer around that, I doubt you'd be calling it a new computer- you'd probably say it was 10 years old.

    There is no "right and wrong" approach when it comes to SW as that approach discourages storytelling. SW encourages storytelling, thus there are no errors- just stories waiting to be told. (though, as far as this conversation goes, they have been told already :p ;) )
  25. DS615 Jedi Master

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    >>It was addressed in the films that Jedi do not marry and have children, there for Corrans father was not a Jedi, simple as that.<<

    *cough*Luke*cough*

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