Amph X-Men Movies & TV - Discussion

Well, New Mutants appears to be more of a horror film, rather than a basic superhero flick. Dark Phoenix will be more of the superhero type of stuff and it won't be directed by Bryan Singer. And Deadpool 2 will hopefully be another breathe of fresh air like the original film. So, I'm looking forward to all these films, as well as season two of Legion and the rest of season one of The Gifted.

Also, this might be Fox's farewell run on Marvel properties.

 

I suppose this asylum is a replacement for Hell, where Magik created her soulsword. So the entire team is getting her origin story.

 

Hey guys! I just read this: https://www.themarysue.com/disney-fox-buyout-official/

Can't say I'm happy about it, not surprising though...Singer's lawsuit could have sped things for Disney.

 

I've just started watching The Gifted.

 

It's will be interesting to see what happens with the Fox networks and TV shows that Disney purchased. I don't expect many stark changes immediately and therefore I would imagine "The Gifted" would continue. And as I posted earlier, "The Gifted" and "Legion" were production collaborations between Fox and Marvel Entertainment, so I don't expect those show to change much or be discontinued. I mean, Disney made ABC take Agents of SHIELD into another season against their wishes.

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/deadpool-will-stay-r-rated-fox-disney-merger-1067651

 

I hope James Mangold and Craig Kyle get to do the X-23 movie they are/were/whatever working on.

 

I wager so. "The Wolverine" and "Logan" both did well, so there should be no reason to not allow them to do that. [spolier]There's even rumors that Marvel will do stand alone films from the MCU. No reason to believe that if someone like say, Ghost Rider, is given a new film, that X-23 couldn't have one.[/spoiler]

 

Yeah, that could always happen (fingers crossed). However, when the company is making a big deal about how X-Men will now be MCU, it's hard to see them wanting to invest in something that's not part of that plan, like how Disney rebooted the Star Wars tie-ins to have total synergy with the new movies. Yeah, the X-23 movie could be profitable for Disney, but they can get that same profit through an MCU movie.

 

Technically, it'd still be an MCU film.

 

There's a quote from Iger that Deadpool would stay R-rated and he can be integrated or completely separate from the MCU (or, quite frankly, do both at the same time). You can do the same thing with the potential Logan-verse.

Everything else X I think would be rebooted for the MCU, though. But if they wanted to throw some money around, they could keep the same actors as the characters even with a clean story reboot, kind of like how they kept Judi Dench around to play M in the Bond series.

 

Even if they change actors, it would be okay. Going into the present from "Dark Phoenix", Charles and Erik would have to be older now. Same with Scott, Jean, Ororo, Hank and whoever else would make up the team. Mystique being a shapeshifter allows for a recasting and there would be no problems there. Hell, look at Colossus. We had Daniel Cudmore in the TLS & DOFP and now a CGI creation with a different actor in "Deadpool" and "Deadpool 2". The door to recasting Wolverine was opened after Jackman's retirement from the role and before the Disney buyout began. Having the X films take place in the 20th century for the last few films have certainly helped in that regard.

 

I'm kind of surprise that people want the cast from Apocalypse to be part of the MCU in light that certain fans didn't like the film and thought it was a step down from Days of Future Past. I mean, I felt like I was in the minority in liking Apocalypse around the time the film dropped. Apocalypse also took a huge box office dip from Days of Future Past.

Personally, I can't see the MCU incorporating Fox's X-Men's continuity. It's all over the place. I really prefer the MCU use Jim Lee's X-Men cast of characters and their ages being closer together where Rogue, Psylocke, Gambit, Angel, Nightcrawler, Cyclops, Jean Gray, Ice Man, Emma Frost, etc are all about the same age.

I don't think Feige will put the X-Men in a different sandbox from the rest of the MCU. It would be such a waste and set a path of numerous missed opportunities.

 

With the likes of Magneto and Doom joining the MCU, they certainly won't have a problem with extremely compelling, OP and totally not-disposeable villains tossed into the mix

 

That's why I say that the X-verse should be rebooted with a new cast and continuity after Dark Phoenix. One that can be part of the MCU from the start. Deadpool can still carry over with Reynolds because he doesn't need to make sense.

I think on the X-Men side of the equation, it's clear that it should start over. On the MCU side, I don't really care what happens, but logically I see two solutions if they are to continue with the current continuity: either some cataclysmic cosmic event happens in the next Avengers that alters history in some way, so that suddenly mutation is a thing that has existed for a long time in the MCU, or said cataclysmic event doesn't alter history but triggers mutation as a thing that now happens from this point forward (although that is not as satisfying a solution). But I think better than those two options is a finale to the current MCU altogether somewhere down the line, and then reboot both universes as one unified continuity from the start.

Edit: a third solution that can work neatly is that you explain away mutants' absence from public view up to this point in the MCU by them being in hiding up until the aforementioned cataclysmic event brings them out to use their powers to defend earth, but after their existence has been revealed is when paranoia sets in as a plot element for future movies.

 

The continuity of the "X-Men" films isn't that big a deal. Seriously, the fact that the films rebounded is an accomplishment. Same with the MCU which is also pretty bloated and sometimes contradictory. It'd be fine in the MCU.

 

I can't say the X-Men (proper) films have "rebounded" when Apocalypse took a step down in all three important categories of critical reviews, fans' response and box office take. I'd say Logan rebounded and Deadpool created his own pocket universe.

 

"Apocalypse" still did very well, even if it made less than "Days Of Future Past". "Logan" made less than DOFP, if we're going to argue box office.

 

I like both the OG and First Class X-Men casts and wouldn't mind seeing some of them around, McAvoy Prof X and Fassbender Magneto are great and freakin lightning in a bottle since they can (and have) done a movie with Stewart and McKellen in it and worked perfectly. But the last thing I'm going to do is doubt Marvel's ability to do casting if it's a full sweep. They're kinda good at that. But I think almost everyone knows "Yeah, Reynolds is Deadpool" so he's definitely the one to stick around. Lawrence has seemed perpetually one foot out the door since Days of Future Past, even though I like her in the role but she's definitely gone out of all of them. If only to keep the cast cash down.

New Mutants cast may be a wrinkle, they're super new and probably just signed a multi-film contract, but it looks so self contained and if it's good enough that they could probably backwards retcon it into being a part of the MCU.

I will admit to some continuity geek agita that the events of Logan would eventually just be overwritten and discarded by the time X-Men 15 came out or whatever but with the really incredibly likely great X-Men continuity reboot incoming it looks like Logan (and potentially a Laura film) will stand as The End for the Fox X-Men verse. which I think is okay, it's freakin fantastic.

However, one wonders if the Fox X-Men machine will keep rolling on now they're owned by Disney. Will Disney want to keep it rolling or scale way back (maybe a Deadpool every 2 years) and let Phase 4 MCU go out the way it could. Anyway, Dark Phoenix I think is definitely looking like the Grand Fox X-Men finale (hopefully they didn't tease it out for more sequels) and Logan as the coda.(I'm calling The Gifted and Legion also slide into the Fox X-verse continuity too but it may be a tad slippery in Legion's case but whatever)

It's not a bad run for a verse that rebooted it's own continuity halfway through,I've always maintained the only clunkers are X-Men Origins: Wolverine, Last Stand (which I don't hate) and Apocalypse. Actually I don't hate any of those 3 movies. Just, y'know, clunky.

 

Please. Logan is not a X-Men proper film. It's a spin off.

Wanting to integrate Fox's X-Men films into the MCU is like wanting to integrate the old Star Wars Expanded Universe into the current films.

Enjoy the Fox X-Men films, but look forward to the reboot ala Spider-Man.

 

Semantics. It's still an X-Men film regardless of being called a spin off and it still made less than DOFP.

Spider-Man happened that way because Fiege's desire to keep Peter in high school, which he has a Jones for. Not because of the continuity would prevent it or allow it. Just don't be surprised if it doesn't get rebooted. There's plenty of room to put it in there and not have it affect anything.

 

It's not semantics, especially since Logan seems to create it's own pocket universe like Deadpool. But, yeah, it made less that Days of Future Past, which isn't great.

I'd be very surprised if Feige didn't start from scratch with the X-Men. I don't see why he would want to continue with the Fox's version of the X-Men with the more popular characters are at different ages and some of them dead (Emma Frost, Logan and most of the X-Men as noted in Logan). Moreover, the X-Men most popular character/actor has hung up his claws. What's the point of having the X-Men in the MCU when Logan/Wolverine (Hugh Jackman) isn't part of it? And you can't use X-23 (at least not the one from Logan without some BS convoluted story telling to shoehorn her in the MCU) as the timeline doesn't match up. Fox's X-Men painted themselves in a corner that would restrict the story telling and use of popular X-Men characters.

 

So far, "Logan" seems to be in line with the other films. There's a lot that can happen since the story takes place in 2029 and "Deadpool 2" takes place in 2018. Anyway, the point isn't that because "Logan" made less money, that it is a bad thing. Look at some of the other MCU films where the sequel didn't do as well as the previous film or the next film. "Apocalypse" and "Logan" were still successful at the box office.

The X-Men characters have all been different ages in the comics. Logan has long been deemed older than the rest of the team. Shadowcat, Jubilee and Cannonball were all pretty young compared to the others. Kitty was like fifteen when she came to the mansion, while Pitor was like twenty two. What the films did wasn't that different. As to dead characters, they can be brought back via time travel. Havok can be pulled out of the time stream by Cable, right before being vaporized. Or the Infinity Gauntlet causing those who died to live again.

Logan is dead in the future, but alive in the present. They can recast him, Scott, Jean, Ororo, Hank and whoever else. Hell, Wade even talks about Logan as still being alive. Negasonic even refers to the mansion being blown up, which referred to the "Apocalypse" explosion even though the film hadn't even come out yet and thus telegraphed that event.

 

One of the reason for the success of Logan was Hugh Jackman leaving the franchise, but he won't be coming to the MCU. If you're going to recast Logan, might as well start from scratch.

You're referring to random characters being about different ages, not the more popular core characters. And there you go about doing some convoluted retcon type stuff, just to incorporate a wonky all over the place Fox X-Men Universe. Additionally, you want to do what alot of people complain about comic books, which is bring back characters from the dead; which, works for comic books (in decades of story telling) and bad soap operas. Really, you're speaking fanboy language here.

Again, you're speaking about recasting Scott, Jean, Storm, Beast and whoever else, which makes more sense to start from scratch than trying to do some convoluted, time travel, space stoned glove magic/resurrection of dead/retcon just to incorporate an X-Men universe that's all over the place and wasn't really great stories or adaptations of the source material. The Fox X-Men Universe really doesn't bare much fruit for the MCU. It actually causes more problems than anything else.

 

No, you don't. James Bond went for forty years before "Casino Royale" rebooted everything. When Craig stops coming back, they won't reboot again, they'll just recast. Batman was recast twice before Nolan came along. The idea of needing to reboot is just a marketing gimmick. The X-Men team can be recast without needing to start over again. They can pick up from "Dark Phoenix" with present day stories with the team already established, just like the 2000 film did. It saves them time having to avoid reintroducing the concept of Mutants again and how the X-Men work. I guarantee you if the Spider-Man from the ASM films was still in high school, it would have been that Spider-Man who was in "Captain America: Civil War" and ASM 3 would have happened in place of "Homecoming".

Wolverine, Jubilee, Shadowcat, Colossus and Cannonball are all popular characters. Not random ones. All five served on the team at different points and each character was a different age. Three of them were still high school students and Logan was older than all of them. And as to resurrections, I seriously doubt people will complain except for angry fanboys, but we just ignore them, since they like to complain about everything because no comic book will ever be what they first read.

How so? In 1962, a group of Mutants fought each other out on Cuba. But only the governments and now S.H.E.I.L.D. knows it happened. In 1973, three Mutants were spotted fighting in Paris during the peace accords. A few days later, a Mutant terrorist known as Magneto nearly killed the President, but was stopped by another Mutant known as Mystique. Ten years later, a group of Mutants had saved the world from annihilation. A few years or ten years later, another event happened. A number of years later, a battle took place out at Liberty Island where Magneto was captured again. Simple.

And as to being great adaptations, not all of the MCU films were great adaptations either. They've all varied in quality and we've got people saying skip these films here, here and here. We've got others who are bored of the whole thing and are declaring superhero burnout.