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X-Wing or Y-Wing vs AT-AT

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by Matt-trooper, Mar 14, 2005.

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  1. Matt-trooper

    Matt-trooper Jedi Youngling star 3

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    If the rebels had a few X-wings and y-wings to spare so they could be used in the battle of Hoth, do you think that they would've been able to easily destroy the walkers and turn the tide of the battle?
     
  2. KMG-365

    KMG-365 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Well, the armor was too heavy for blasters. I wonder what impact a torpedo would have on them. My guess is that it would take them down.

    I'm not sure how manueverable X- and A-Wings are in-atmosphere. They seem to be more geared towards space travel.
     
  3. Matt-trooper

    Matt-trooper Jedi Youngling star 3

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    The Blasters on the starfighters might've been stronger than the snowspeeders. I heard there was a deleted scene from ESB where an X-wing leaving Hoth fires a proton torpedo at the main body of the walker which was supposed to make a big smoking crater in the side. Can anyone confirm this.
     
  4. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    In the EU, (particularly X-Wing: Isard's Revenge) n X-Wing can take down a walker with it's weapons.

    Unfortunately, the conditions on Hoth and the need for the X-Wings to be used as evacuation escorts prevented them from being used.
     
  5. Evil_Otto

    Evil_Otto Jedi Youngling star 4

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    I doubt X-Wings or Y-Wings would be very manoeuvrable in low atmospheric flight, well, not manoeuvrable enough to allow them to engage in combat anyway. But I do believe that such a fighter would be able to engage in upper atmospheric combat quite effectively. Nor would their proton torpedoes be of any use on the battlefield either, because I read that they have nuclear warheads, which would result in either blowing the Rebel troops away as well as the AT-AT's, or in giving them radiation poisoning. [face_plain]
     
  6. KMG-365

    KMG-365 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Where did you read that the torpedoes were nukes? That would be kind of lame if they were...
     
  7. Evil_Otto

    Evil_Otto Jedi Youngling star 4

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  8. KMG-365

    KMG-365 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Blimey, do you realise how many Star Wars books and other media that I've read since I was a kid?!

    Hmmm.....no. :)

    Don't forget that I was a fan of the films and read books, mags and anything else I could get my hands on since 1977!!!

    It would be difficult for me to forget something I didn't even know in the first place ;)

    I've been a fan since 77 as well, and don't remember the proton torpedoes ever described as nukes, which is why I was asking.
     
  9. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I don't recall them being identified as nuclear either- no mention of it in the Essential Guide to Weapons & Technology or the New EGTW&T.

    However, I do recall he being a reference somewhere that compares a proton torpedo's explosive yeild as comparable to a small low-yield nuke (without the radioactive side-effects), but that might just be some fan speculation/comparison I've absorbed along the way.
     
  10. BaronFel88

    BaronFel88 Jedi Knight star 7

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    I think if one pounded the cockpit with enough proton torpedoes, it'd probably go down.
     
  11. -HD-YaebGinn

    -HD-YaebGinn Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Isards revenge. They took some At Ats down in atmosphere. They can handle reasonably well in atmosphere, but better in space. Torps are not nukes, otherwise when they launch a torp on land (which they do few times, but occasionally) it would be a catostrophe. But the one guy is right, they couldnt spare the X-Wings.
     
  12. solo77

    solo77 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    There is a line near the start of ESB talking about the snowspeeders. Goes something like this:

    "We're having trouble adapting them to the cold conditions"

    This is probably why they didn't use X and Y Wings as they weren't modidfied for the cold environment.
     
  13. -HD-YaebGinn

    -HD-YaebGinn Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Snow speeders are meant for land, thats why they couldnt be uaed until adapted. X-wings fly in space, space is way colder than Hoth.
     
  14. JediMasterChiefYoda

    JediMasterChiefYoda Jedi Master star 3

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    But in Hoth's cold atmosphere, they would lose heat faster then then would in space.

    I'll put it this way. When you put your hand in the freezer to get some ice. Before you get the ice, you feel the cold, but your hand doesn't get cold that fast. However, when you pick up your ice, your hand gets a lot colder a lot faster.

    This is convetion vs. conduction. While your hand is in the freezer (or while the X-WIng is in outer space, where there isn't cold air all around it robbing it of its heat), the heat of your hands slowly bleeds off into the freezer's air. This is heat lose by convetion.

    However, when you pick up your ice, there is a big difference in the temperature. The ice (or Hoth's icy atmosphere) absorbs the heat trying to equelize the differences. This is heat lose by conduction.

    Maybe the X-Wings were designed to have a limited ability to take icy atmospheres (for landing and taking off), but they would bleed off the heat needed to make the engines run to fast in the cold. I know that they run in vidoe games, but those same games have you destorying both Death Stars and several Star Destoryers single handedly. If Imperial equipment is that easy to destroy, then why are people so suprised that ewoks can take out an entire legion of the Emperor's best troops (but that's another topic)?
     
  15. Chaotic_Serenity

    Chaotic_Serenity Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Yay, a science lesson! :)

    I heard that X-Wings were better suited for the vacuum of outer space rather than atmospheric arenas - is there any proof to support this in any of the guides?
     
  16. -HD-YaebGinn

    -HD-YaebGinn Jedi Youngling star 3

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    well, that is only a partial answer.

    Your hand in the freezer is cold, but it is colder with ice because of three reasons.

    1. It is a physical thing to touch, ice is. Unlike the air.

    2. It is rapidly melting and water is spreading over your hand at little over 30 degrees.

    3. Contrast.


    X-Wings would work better on Hoth because they are still in the air of it, not on ground as in a speeder.

    Space is colder than Hoth. Hoth has an atmosphere, which would make it more icy, due to humidity and the water cycle. With the X-wing constantly moving, it wouldn't be cooling down, so the side affects of atmosphere wouldn't affect it.

    I feel deja vu coming in. Someone with an Obi-Wan avatar will post in here. (if you have an obi-wan avatar, dont change it to prove me wrong)

    Its common knowledge ships are better in space than atmosphere. With the gravity and such. Its in the X-wing series.
     
  17. nsdjoe

    nsdjoe Jedi Youngling

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    How exactly to the ships change direction in space? Do they use thrust vectoring? Is this ever addressed?
     
  18. -HD-YaebGinn

    -HD-YaebGinn Jedi Youngling star 3

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  19. nsdjoe

    nsdjoe Jedi Youngling

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    engines meaning the engines move and the ship moves in response?
     
  20. DarthJohnkenobi

    DarthJohnkenobi Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Do they use thrust vectoring?

    According to Incredible Cross Sections that's exactly how they do it. There's also something called an etheral(sp) rudder I've seen in the EU.
     
  21. IncomT65

    IncomT65 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The starfighters like the X-Wing and Y-Wing are primarily er... starfighters ;) They can be used for strafing runs on ground targets, but aren't much worth in atmospheric dogfights.

    It is believed Lucas also chose the Snowspeeders instead of the X-Wings for merchandising goals and just to show off some new models, created by ILM.
     
  22. JediMasterChiefYoda

    JediMasterChiefYoda Jedi Master star 3

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    I bet he also used snowspeeders to create a little drama for when CMD Skywalker is shot down and almost stepped on. If his X-Wing had been shot down, he couldn't go to Dagobah and then all would be lost.
     
  23. nsdjoe

    nsdjoe Jedi Youngling

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    ethereal rudder? for steering through the ether? what **** thought that up?
     
  24. DarthJohnkenobi

    DarthJohnkenobi Jedi Padawan star 4

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    It is believed Lucas also chose the Snowspeeders instead of the X-Wings for merchandising goals and just to show off some new models, created by ILM.

    I do believe that's the main reason for any new ships in ESB or ROTJ. Not necessarily the marketing thing but you know, new movie new ships, trying to top the predecesor, as sequels do.
     
  25. gold6

    gold6 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I think that a y-wing could take down an AT-AT.No.1:they have ion cannons,and no.2:they can carry bombs, proton bombs I belive, that they could use to pulverise the AT-AT.Ion the legs and bomb the head, after it's down.
     
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