[YJCC] Moderator Coverage

Discussion in 'Communications' started by Dark_Lady_Jada, Sep 14, 2005.

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  1. Alethia Jedi Master

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    Feb 13, 2005
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    Threads like the "I'm neon" one are harmless enough to leave until a JCC mod can sign on and lock it.

    Yeah, that's why I'm not bothering with getting someone else. It's just, well, as I stated earlier- annoying. Definitely could wait, though I wouldn't mind seeing it get handled now.
  2. Grand_Admiral_Grant Ex-Mod

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    However it sets a bad example. What if a n00b saw a thread like that and decided, ok, if someone else is allowed to do this, why shouldnt I do it as well?

    And with really offensive posts, a dedicated JCC mod would be able to act pretty quickly compared to another forums mod who has to receive a PM and react. Every second some porn or a big insult is up, is one too much. BTW, this "alerting another mod argument" assumes there is a user online who takes the "trouble" of finding an online mod. I think there a quite some users who, first, dont know how and where to quickly find another mod or secondly dont care enough to alert one.

    It's like kindergarten again: when the teacher is away and some kids start misbehaving, how many kids would go to the next class to get another teacher in? Too little im afraid (unfortunately of course). They either dont consider it worth the trouble, dont care enough or find it (bizarrely enough) interesting and fun to see what will happen next.
  3. Kavic_Toth Manager Emeritus

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    The same could be said, though, Grant, for the threads and users I've had to ban in FanForce, RPF and so on. So I have no issue with another Mod stepping in and doing something with the obvious posts or threads that violate ToS.

    As for the other threads in JCC that just popped up, I had issue with one of those possibly being considered legitimate, and not parody. Malkie locked one, I locked the other, and we discussed in PM what to do with the third.

    Just because it was not locked within 30 seconds does not mean it was not noticed, and being discussed.
  4. YodaJeff Manager Emeritus

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    Oct 18, 2001
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    If a new user thinks "I'm neon" is an appropriate thread, then the next time they log on and see it was locked, they will realize that it is not appropriate. Having non-JCC mods make borderline decisions usually just leads to problems.
  5. Darth_Ignant Jedi Youngling

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    Oct 24, 2001
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    And see my solution. If you see something you think needs to be locked, and there are no JC mods around, PM another mod and explain the situation. It'll be handled.
  6. DarthPoojaNaberrie Jedi Master

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    Jun 21, 2005
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    Threads like the "I'm neon" one are harmless enough to leave until a JCC mod can sign on and lock it.

    It was briefly claimed that "Neon" was in fact the author's name so that the thread would not be parody.

    [face_laugh]
  7. Dark_Lady_Jada Jedi Knight

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    Dec 7, 2004
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    My point about non-YJCC mods modding is that the current YJCC mods not have a problem with it. Some forums are territorial. And then if you cross the lines from JCC to Fan Force, it becomes either more muddy because of the rift between the MS and OFH.

    I have had a staff member tell me to PM a YJCC mod with my concern. THAT is why I am bringing up that we should have a list of moderators willing to mod the YJCC.

    Grant, you used my analogy [face_plain] :p
  8. malkieD2 Ex-Manager and RSA

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    Jun 7, 2002
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    Some forums are territorial

    I'm not entirely sure they are - any examples? Besides, sure that point would be moot because (as you correctly state) the JCC mods welcome the removal of obvious TOS violations in their absence.

    And then if you cross the lines from JCC to Fan Force, it becomes either more muddy because of the rift between the MS and OFH.

    um, what rift is that?

    The MS and the OFH get along extremely well - we post in their social thread, and vice versa. There have been some great team efforts when a FF CR misbehaved in the JC and we had to demote and ban them.

    Furthermore there is overlap with some FF mods covering JC forums.
  9. Darth_Ignant Jedi Youngling

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    Oct 24, 2001
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    So your issue isn't with JC mod-coverage, but with JC mods having a problem with others modding the forum. Why not jsut say that in the first place?

    Now, do you have specific instances where YJCC mods have complained about others modding YJCC?
  10. KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus

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    Nov 6, 2001
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    As long as outside moderators know what they're doing and use good judgment, things are likely to be fine.

    Problems have arisen in the past when those things haven't been the case.
  11. LAJ_FETT Tech Admin and Collecting/Lucasfilm Ltd Mod

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    I have no problem with someone PM'ing me to handle a blatant problem in YJCC if none of the YJCC mods are online. However I normally don't read every thread and post in that forum as I do in Collecting. So if someone has posted an inappropriate image in a thread there I might not know unless you bring the issue up.
  12. Dark_Lady_Jada Jedi Knight

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    Dec 7, 2004
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    Obviously in this thread they have said they don't have a problem with it. However, in the past, they have been moderators who have been territorial about moderators from other forums modding their forum. I think that line of thinking has been done away with for the most part except when it comes to a JCC mod going into a FF to mod unless it is a blatant TOS violation.

    Now it is getting all the mods on the same page to say it is ok to moderate other forums so when you get a PM from a user please attend to it if one of the forum mods isn't around.

    FWIW, I know I also encountered this when I sent a PM to a non-SWC mod about a problem in the SWC.
  13. malkieD2 Ex-Manager and RSA

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    Jun 7, 2002
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    Now it is getting all the mods on the same page to say it is ok to moderate other forums so when you get a PM from a user please attend to it if one of the forum mods isn't around.

    that's already well established, and doesn't need highlighting
  14. KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus

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    Nov 6, 2001
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    It really isn't too complex. It just requires common sense.

    Borderline/judgment calls should be left to individual forum moderator in most circumstances. Blatant problems can be handled by anyone.
  15. Darth_Ignant Jedi Youngling

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    Oct 24, 2001
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    Jada, you might want to start reading the MS updates. They are a mine of information. For example, the newest update, posted by her magnificence rhonderoo touched upon this very subject. If yo'd read it, we could have avoided this unnecessary thread.
  16. Katya Jade Administrator Emeritus

    Member Since:
    Jan 19, 2002
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    Well, honestly, I was always territorial about the JCC. The primary reason is that it takes a lot of effort to get the JCC dedicated mods on the same page in terms of what to moderate. Having non-JCC mods come in and make judgement calls based on PM's from users tends to get things way muddied up. In the past, some non-JCC moderators have locked threads with the comment that a JCC mod would check on the appropriateness of the thread when they got online. Which is all fine and good and can certainly help out when we've got heated or borderline threads. However, if we've got moderators who just happen to lock threads they feel aren't appropriate, then it just mucks up the waters. I always took the position that I was happy to help out in a forum if there were no mods online. Before I took any action, I always checked to see if there was a forum mod there to take over.

    The problem with a "floater" mod is that they need to be very familiar with every single forum and its culture. A very difficult thing to do. If that floater mod is just required to keep an eye out for trolling and porn in case other mods aren't online then there's no point in having one - there's always a mod online in some aspect who can help with that.

    Jada brings up a valid point and it's one we seem to visit now and again in JCC. As I see it, if you have 3, 4 or 5 moderators that can cover the forum, you're set. Even with 5 moderators, we had times without coverage in JCC - it's just going to happen. We all have real lives and will have times where there might be a few hour gap between mods online. Now, if it's happening consistently, that's an issue. We've handled those types of situations before where a mod just wasn't available or was only on as a "back-up" so they were replaced with someone with the ability to cover needed times.

    I know this last week, Josh has had things to do in his personal life, but other than that, I've seen that he's very consistently online during the day and the other mods cover the rest of the times just fine. I'd say that if users are seeing a consistent time gap, to let the mods or an admin know because then they should be establishing the need for a new mod.

    That was the longest Comms post I've written in about a year. I'm spent.
  17. Grand_Admiral_Grant Ex-Mod

    Member Since:
    Nov 30, 2004
    star 6

    What does reading the MS update have to do with this thread? [face_thinking] I dont think it mentioned huge gaps in JCC-mod coverage, unless you can read a different update then I can.

    If being concerned about the JCC is already a crime then Im guilty as well. What are you trying to prove here?
  18. rhonderoo Former Head Admin

    Member Since:
    Aug 7, 2002
    star 9
    I use the Online? feature normally to see if a mod is online, especially in YJCC, because they mod a bit differently with a slightly more leniant set of rules than Fan Fic or even ROTS. In the past I've locked a flame war thread down or edited out profanity, but that's blatant TOS violation that wouldn't be tolerated anywhere. Locking redundant threads or editing out pics, I usually just PM one of them.

    There really isn't a problem with mod territorial problems from what I've seen.
  19. dp4m Chosen One

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    Nov 8, 2001
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    [Will Ferrell]Oh, sweet irony...[/Will Ferrell]
  20. Darth_Ignant Jedi Youngling

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    Oct 24, 2001
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    "What does reading the MS update have to do with this thread?"

    You should read the whole thread, but I'll summarise. It turns out this thread isn't about gaps in mod coverage, but about mods being okay with mods from other forums modding in their forum. Like a RotS mod editing a post in YJCC, that sort of thing. The question of cross forum modding was brought up in the latest MS update.

    Now you see, I am sure.
  21. Dark_Lady_Jada Jedi Knight

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    Dec 7, 2004
    star 5
    No, this thread is about gaps in coverage and what to do about them.

  22. Darth_Ignant Jedi Youngling

    Member Since:
    Oct 24, 2001
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    Say, you wouldn't happen to be available to fill those gaps, would you?
  23. KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus

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    Nov 6, 2001
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    As long as the four of us are active, I don't see or know of any consistent gaps in coverage.
  24. The_Scarlet_Woman Jedi Master

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    Jul 23, 2005
    star 5
    Don't the moderators have the Shadow Sith Army helping them?

    I did read the first post of the Shadow Sith Army thread and their mission statement.

    Surely with this formidable army started by a YJCC Moderator, we don't need any more mods.

    Mods from other forums have already offered their assistance when there are gaps in coverage.

    I'm not sure there is a problem here. But, as usual, I could be wrong.
  25. Dark_Lady_Jada Jedi Knight

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    Dec 7, 2004
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    From my first post:

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