[YJCC]Satirical Threads

Discussion in 'Communications' started by Suzuki_Akira, Oct 26, 2004.

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  1. Genghis12 Manager Emeritus

    Member Since:
    Nov 18, 1999
    star 6
    comet...
    "so, powerfull mods/admins, can I make the thread "if crack were legal would you smoke it?""

    Yes, you can. And if you are an unbanned user, we cannot stop you from doing so. You can ask us if you can post a certain thread. And we can tell you "no," but if you're dead-set on creating it we cannot stop you.

    However, we can react to the posting of any thread that is inappropriate for the forum. And take that thread content into account with respect to whether or not your status as an "unbanned user" needs to be modified as a result of the posting of a thread.
  2. Katya Jade Administrator Emeritus

    Member Since:
    Jan 19, 2002
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    There's a big difference between discussing illegal activities and advocating them. In your examples, Suzuki, Ignant's thread is clearly a joke and not advocating running out and buying a slave. Terp's thread, however, was seriously discussing underage sex (I can't remember if that was the actual reason it was locked, though).

    We've had discussions in the forum on drinking - what kinds of drinks people like, wine, etc. That's fine - despite the fact that underage people do discuss what they drink. However, we've locked other threads that advocate underage drinking, drug use, etc.

    Again, it's all about common sense and I'm honestly not going to sit here and draw a hard line in the sand that every topic that deals with illegal subjects will be locked. If I do that, then I edit every post that deals with illegal activities - including comet's posts about killing people despite the fact that they are rap lyrics.

    There's a point where moderating to the lowest common denominator ruins any ability for a forum to be interesting and allow for interesting and, yes, sometimes controversial content. Controversial isn't always a negative thing. While it can go over the line, sometimes it actually spurs interesting discussion. And, contrary to some people's belief, I actually do want the JCC to be a place for fun but interesting discussions.
  3. Kimball_Kinnison Force Ghost

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    Oct 28, 2001
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    Its not ILLEGAL to talk about it, ITS AGAINST THE TOS TO TALK ABOUT IT.

    No, it is not, comet.

    As the administration, we (collectively) are the ones who have to interpret the TOS as best we can in keeping with the wishes of the owners. It was discussed in the MS, and we decided that it is not against the Terms of Service. As others have pointed out, we have many serious discussions like that in the Senate.

    You can disagree with that interpretation, but that doesn't make your interpretation of the TOS binding on anyone, nor does that give you authority to impose your interpretation onto anyone else.

    Kimball Kinnison
  4. comet1440 Force Ghost

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    Jan 25, 2004
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    For the last time as I grow tired coming in here proving my point and having mods/admins completely ignore the whole problem.

    Excerpt for the terms of service

    User agrees not to post material that is knowingly false and/or defamatory, misleading, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, that otherwise violates any law, or that encourages conduct constituting a criminal offense.

    Owning a human slave violates U.S (im pretty sure all countrys but im not positive) law.

    it says users agree not to post anything that violates the law, someone posting about owning slaves which is against the law is breaking the tos because it is against the rules to post about something that breaks the law.

  5. HawkNC Former RSA: Oceania

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    Oct 23, 2001
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    You're misinterpreting it. Posting a discussion of slave ownership does not violate any laws in the US. Owning a slave certainly does, but obviously that's not happening on the boards (though I have my suspicions about this "adopt a newbie" thing). What the TOS actually refers to is actual posts that violate laws, such as posting child pornography or selling illegal or illegally-aquired material.
  6. BobTheGoon Moderator Emeritus

    Member Since:
    Sep 21, 2000
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    Posting a humorous thread about the possibility of owning a slave is not against the TOS, because talking about it is not against the law. There is no law on the books in the US the prohibits talking about something in the hypothetical. You can even talk about killing the president.

    Of course, if you told someone you were going to kill the president it would be a whole different arguement. So far, I haven't seen one person in that thread seriously say they were going to seek out and buy a slave, and if they did, I'm sure that they would be edited.
  7. comet1440 Force Ghost

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    Jan 25, 2004
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    What the TOS actually refers to is actual posts that violate laws

    cool, so that means I can post a long story about whats it like to sell drugs,steal cars and rob senior citizens for all their money, since posting a long story about what it is like to sell drugs,steal cars and rob senior citizens for all their money doesnt violate any U.S laws.
  8. malkieD2 Ex-Manager and RSA

    Member Since:
    Jun 7, 2002
    star 7
    User agrees not to post material that otherwise violates any law

    Posting material that violates any law would be (for example) posting child pornography.

    Posting about the horrors of child pornography, or stories about people who have been prosecuted is not against the TOS.

    cool, so that means I can post a long story about whats it like to sell drugs

    No, because that would glorification of drug abuse, which we don't tolerate here. No-one is glorifying save abuse.
  9. BobTheGoon Moderator Emeritus

    Member Since:
    Sep 21, 2000
    star 6
    Comet, give it up. The one's with the power to close the thread DON'T agree with you, so it's unlikely to change. Get over it.
  10. Kimball_Kinnison Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Oct 28, 2001
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    it says users agree not to post anything that violates the law, someone posting about owning slaves which is against the law is breaking the tos because it is against the rules to post about something that breaks the law.


    One last time: you are not the one who interprets the TOS. The MS as a whole agrees that the discussion did not violate the TOS. That decision is final.

    You are free to hold your own posts to an interpretation higher than that given by the administration, but that is in no way binding on anyone else. You are also free to post according to a lower interpretation of the TOS than that held by the administration, but you do so at your own risk.

    Kimball Kinnison
  11. comet1440 Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Jan 25, 2004
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    You are free to hold your own posts to an interpretation higher than that given by the administration

    my interpretation? I copy/pasted it word for word, I didnt interpret anything.

    It doesnt matter though, im done with this issue. Nothing I say in this forum is ever taken for what it is, and just turns into a 20 page arguement betweeen myself and the administration.
  12. AmazingB Manager Emeritus

    Member Since:
    Jan 12, 2001
    star 7
    Kate has won this thread with logic and common sense. Fancy that.

    Amazing.
  13. Smuggler-of-Mos-Espa Jedi Youngling

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    Jan 23, 2002
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    It doesnt matter though, im done with this issue. Nothing I say in this forum is ever taken for what it is, and just turns into a 20 page arguement betweeen myself and the administration.

    Taken for what it is? Your stuff is always taken for what it is-- redundancy. Dude, even when the administration has said that talking about illegal acts isn't illegal, you still proceeded in arguing with everyone that it is against the TOS. I think the mods know what they're talking about. You're wrong, comet, just admit it because it's obvious in any case.

    On a final note, we can discuss anything here that fits under the TOS. Ignant's slavery thread was simply a parody turned serious. Believe it or not, this isn't the first time it has happened. There's no harm in a serious discussion about how slavery was in the old days compared to modern times. Speaking on serious viewpoints, i think its safe to say that everyone here is against slavery. Everyone else stating that that just happens not to be you isn't against the TOS. We have as much right to be for or against something as you do. Speaking of lack of morality, you were the one that started whining about it while you have displayed plenty of it in the past.

    Bye bye. [face_plain]
  14. Katya Jade Administrator Emeritus

    Member Since:
    Jan 19, 2002
    star 7
    Comet, by your logic, you should be permabanned. You've posted the following on the boards:

    Ill pop all you punk *** like you was a pimple
    guns do the talkin I dont need to say ****
    act up be a victim of my 9 milli clip


    and

    my glock will pop shots leave you 6 feet under in my backyard
    beatin me, thats mission impossible
    its probable that my shells will leave you in the hospital


    and

    Im giving you two choice's get shot or stabbed its your call

    and

    im going to watch you fry and die when the tech spurt
    for those who dont know , a tech is a gun
    I would stab you , but watching you die quick is no fun .



    You're 13 so gun ownership is illegal. You're also threatening to kill people which is also against the law. Therefore, by your own interpretation, we should ban you. Right?

  15. Gangrenous12 Jedi Knight

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    Oct 15, 2002
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    FYI: Anakin Skywalker was a slave.

    It's amazing to me that people propose that elements of the primary focus of this site are against this site's primary focus. Go figure.
  16. Suzuki_Akira Force Ghost

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    May 13, 2003
    star 7
    And the representation of his slavery in Episode I even though he wasn't abused was still of anger and rage. Would poking fun at slavery be deemed appropriate by a slave? I don't know.
  17. DarthAttorney Manager Emeritus

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    Nov 8, 2000
    star 6
    How many slaves have you spoken to of late? :confused:
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