ST Yoda in Episode VIII

@Eternal_Jedi: I get that that was probably his reasoning, but I think his reasoning was flawed. It wasn’t a matter of storytelling. It was a matter of his (the fan’s) emotional connection to the characters and how he preferred it, based on that connection.
From my point of view, it would’ve made perfect sense to have Hayden in the scene.

I appreciate the scene for what it is, though.

 

I think many expected yoda and Luke would communicate to fit lukes maturity and progression but instead yoda appears like abit of a practical joker like his early scenes of ESB and its just a side of yoda that may not fit the scene?

It probably fit the emotional nostalgia of what they were going for though.

 

Yoda has always been a bit mischievous and had a sense of humor, not merely his first scene in ESB. Take, for instance, him calling out Obi-Wan in front of a bunch of kids in AOTC.

"Lost a planet master Obi-Wan has! How embarrassing!"

 

Forgive me if this had been discussed previously-but I'm at work and I don't have the time to page thru 18 pages of posts. Still this one thing bothered me:

Did anyone else notice that Yoda's force ghost was not transparent? All the other force ghosts we could see thru. But not this one. I enjoyed everything else about him appearing, but I have a hard time looking past this one inconsistency...am I missing something???

 

From what i read they apparently didn't wanna transparent him because they didn't wanna lose any of the high detail they had put into the puppet.

 

"When 900 years old you reach, look as good, you will not."----- Not giggling and kicking his feet.....

"Lost a planet, master Obi-Wan has. How embarrasing. How embarrasing."------ Spoken to a class of 7 year olds.....

There are no other scenes beyond his reveal in ESB, nor in the PT where Yoda acts like he did when he didn't want Luke to know who he was. Perhaps a couple of lighter lines where he shows a sense of humor, but not nearly the same.

The Last Jedi scene is way more "pre-reveal Yoda" than "Jedi Master Yoda".

 

Which is odd as that is what I would have recommended. If you are only going to use the puppet face and not replace or enhance it with CGI then you get stuck with the rather immobile puppet face that made it distinctly weird compared to the PT Yoda.

In essence it's the same problem with the TPM puppet. Many thought the problem there was the design but this shows that it's not that but simply that it's a puppet.

It would perfectly fine and far better than Yoda ever could. It'd really tie thing together nicely. Yoda works alright. Maybe have both of them. Anakin gives the emotional aspect and Yoda the history one.

 

I don't expect its "I agree Yoda is out of character but I don't mind" is what people who like the scene are saying. They're saying "I don't agree Yoda is acting out of character". Its not a given he's acting out of character and, from what I've seen, the reaction to this scene is not a 50/50 split, but higher on the positive end.

 

Excellent post and so seemingly obvious. It never ceases to amaze me that the people who profess to know the most about SW and the characters have the hardest time understanding either.

 

I honestly didn't care what Yoda was saying (and when I dwell on it my head starts to hurt). Just having him and Luke together again was amazing and completely caught me off guard. That visual of their silhouettes sitting together watching the burning temple, I can't even put into words how it made me feel.

In a film that I really disliked this was a powerful moment. Truly magical. I literally yelled out "oh ****" when they showed the camera panning past Yoda to introduce him, and had a huge grin on my face the whole time.

 

Maybe this is how he was able to do the lightning thing; because he was more part of the physical world. When you’re a see through ghost, you can’t manipulate physical matter

Character growth/development?

<runs away>

 

There was a moment in this appearance where Yoda laughed out loud and he sounded almost sinister. I thought Rian was going to trick us by having it be Snoke. He had set up the Snoke was facilitating the communications between Rey and Kylo beforehand so I thought anything was possible.

Part of me almost wishes it had been Snoke undercover.

 

The whole point and I why I personally didn't like the Yoda scene, is that Yoda is there to "explain away" why Rey is not a Mary Sue.

It's the WILL OF THE FORCE.

Rey already knows all the books there even when Luke didn't bother reading them all. This is so bad I'm just going to stop...

 

You think that's the same behavior as in The Last Jedi?

 

That is absolutely not the point of the scene.

No, Rey took the books with her. Yoda says that she "has what she needs" not that she knows everything.

 

Really poignant scene, with Luke finally woken up and calmed down by his true Master. Sitting down and finding solace despite everything that has transpired. Two friends....it’s really special.

 

Lol. How in God's name did you watch that scene and come to that conclusion?

 

The weird looking ghost puppet took me out of the scene even before Yoda started up with the goofball persona again. Not to mention how the casual willingness to destroy the tree came across as a violent action unworthy of a Jedi. All in all I thought it was a terrible scene.

 

I think the negative opinions about the Yoda scene is proof that the ST could never please some. In a world where TESB was never released, Disney could unveil TESB and the Internet would be going wild about how it undermines the mythology and destroys the characters

 

Some of the complaints are so downright bizarre that you wonder if they even saw any of the other movies.

 

No.... Yoda knows Rey took the books. She doesn't know them already. If you're gonna be snarky, at least have the facts.

 

It struck me that if Luke had not felt so deeply ashamed of his behavior, Yoda could have helped him. Luke felt the weight of his responsibility so intensely, it was good to see him with someone who understands and can tell him not to take it so hard.

 

No need for that tone. I didn’t understand that Rey had taken the books either, until one of my friends pointed it out, so I also took Yoda’s line as meaning “Rey already knows it all”, which felt like... too much.

If that’s true, then... Wow.
Yeah, screw continuity. We have a detailed puppet to show off!