Yoda is such a slow learner.

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  1. numaer Jedi Youngling

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    Anakin defeated Count Dooku when he was about 23 years of age and had been a jedi for about 13 years whereas Yoda couldn't do that after being one for over 800 years. He's always sitting and meditating yet he couldn't sense Anakin's troubles and Palpatine did.Mace Windu could defeat Sidious but Yoda with all his years of experience couldn't. Whenever asked about the future he would say "the dark side clouds everything" or "clouded this boy's future is".He's a big FRAUD.
  2. zombie Force Ghost

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    -Yoda was literally running circles around Dooku and the only reason he wasnt able to defeat him was that he was forced to save Obi Wan and Anakin
    -Yoda could sense that Anakin was "in terrible pain" and was "suffering", though you are correct, he took too little action
    -Sidious "defeat" was obviously preplanned and an act
    -No one but Sidious could forsee the future since the dark side did indeed cloud everything and diminish the jedis ability to use the force

    He's not a fraud by any means, he just happened to be seen in the PT at his lowest point when the jedi order was collapsing
  3. emporergerner Jedi Master

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    Yoda slow learner I don't think so
  4. severian28 Force Ghost

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    He just lives alot longer.
  5. YoungAngus Jedi Youngling

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    Yea whos to say he lost to Dooku? He would of won but Dooku tried to kill Ani and Obi Wan, so he had to stop to save them, and that gave Dooku a window of oppurtinity to escape.
  6. Lynch69 Jedi Knight

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    Yea whos to say he lost to Dooku? He would of won but Dooku tried to kill Ani and Obi Wan, so he had to stop to save them, and that gave Dooku a window of oppurtinity to escape."

    That scene counters the scene in in Sith, where he tells Anakin to let go of everything he fears to lose, to capture and "unravel the mystery of the sith" Yoda could have let them be killed to beat Dooku. He must be a do as I say, not as I do kinda froggy.
  7. Johnny_Solo_65 Jedi Knight

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    When he says let go of everything you fear to lose, he doesn't mean let people die when they could easily be saved. Yoda, as a Jedi, had to save Anakin and Obi and Dooku knew this. Besides, he didn't want to kill Dooku, as he was his former apprentice, and at that time, taking him captive probably wasn't much of an option, it would have been a fight to the death. So, he wouldn't have been able to unravel the mystery of the Sith, while letting him escape might give him a chance to save him later.
  8. mjerome3 Jedi Grand Master

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    Yoda is not a slow learner by far. How can anyone even say that?

    Yoda could have killed Dooku on Geonosis but couldn't because he had to save Kenobi and Skywalker. Once ROTS rolled around, Anakin's prowess had grown so much since Episode II, much like Luke's growth between ESB and ROTJ. Dooku clearly underestimated Anakin Skywalker the second time around.
  9. Ruusan_Roulette Jedi Padawan

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    Anakin was also drawing on the dark side, giving him the quick path to power, if my memory of the RotS novelization serves me correctly.
  10. solo-da-man Jedi Padawan

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    Yoda exemplifies everything a jedi should be. Perhaps he underestimated Anakin's potential for descent to the dark side. Jedi are taught to have a love for all life in general. As such, he couldn't just let Anakin and Kenobi die in AOTC. Yoda contemplates before acting. There is more to being a Jedi than using a lightsaber. If possible, he chooses the path of the open hand over the closed fist. Although, when necessary, he can fight, and then some! One gets the sense that he definitely feels he shares some of the blame for what happens at the end of ROTS.
  11. anakin_luver Jedi Grand Master

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    He's a big FRAUD.

    Do you care to explain that? Do you think he is not really a Jedi? How is Yoda a FRAUD?
  12. JEDY Jedi Grand Master

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    "Yoda is such a slow learner." - Shame on you .

    "He's a big FRAUD." - I'd love to see how well you'd do as a Jedi against Dooku. He NEVER lost to Dooku !! He had to save Anakin and Obi, Dooku ran off, if he didn't , Yoda would have pwned him .
  13. andkiich Jedi Knight

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    Let us not forget that Yoda most likely didn't sabe Anakin and Obiwan because "they needed saving". It was probably done because they had already suffered a great loss in numbers in the Geonosis arena, and Yoda knowing that there was to be a great war ahead of them, would need all the seasoned Jedi they could get their hands on.


    They could ill afford to wait another 10 years to train more younglings. The war was now and the need for Jedi great. That would be the best motivation for saving them.

    Besides, with Dooku alive, they still have potential in finding out who the Sith master is. Dooku dead, leaves a lot of "unknowns". Who will be the next apprentice? Then they start at square one trying to figure out the Sith masters identity.

    Better to leave all the cards face up on the table than re-shuffling them back into the deck and guessing on what will come next.
  14. Clone_Commander169 Jedi Master

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    how dare you diss yoda.. hes a god lol
  15. Master_Starwalker Manager Emeritus

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    There's also the fact that Kenobi was one of the more skilled Jedi in the Order and Anakin was their vaunted Chosen One.
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