Yoda Teetering on the Dark Side Too?

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  1. Strilo Manager Emeritus

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    So the Jedi use their hands for a force push only for show and the ability to do so lies only between their minds and the force. But the Force Lightning coming from the dark side of the force needs something as trivial and material as HANDS to be generated? There's a fallacy in the logic there.
  2. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    The "Jedi use their hands for a Force push only for show" part was the part I doubted.
  3. Strilo Manager Emeritus

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    So you think the Jedi actually need the little hand motions for mind tricks, force pushes and other things? The force cares what part of their body they use and how they use it? The connection to the force is second to how they wave their hands around? I say no way. These abilities lie entirely in the connection between their mind and the force. The hand waves and gestures are pretty much for the audience to know what is going on and who is doing it.
  4. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    Not entirely.

    BEN: Remember, a Jedi can feel the Force flowing through him.
  5. MASTER_DOODOO Jedi Master

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    Vader moved the objects in ESB without having to wave his hand all over the place.
  6. Master_Starwalker Manager Emeritus

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    [face_laugh] "Your feeble skills are no mtach for the cranial folds of the Dark Side."

    I don't see why he would be put in Jedi custody when Mace is arresting him in the 'name of the Galactic Senate of the Republic.'
  7. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    I thought he was moving his saber.
  8. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    I'd say not. We don't see Dooku attempting it. In fact, as it has been said in previous threads, everytime a Force user loses a limb, they don't use the Force. Not until they have a bionic replacement. Not counting the eu, we never see a Force user use the Force without hand.

    He was.

    He's a Sith Lord and the Republic wouldn't have someplace that's set up for Sith. The Jedi Temple would, since it's been around for a long time. You wouldn't put Superman in a prison cell. You'd put him in the Hall of Justice complete with an artifical red sun light, with Green and Gold Kryptonite on hand and all the heroes should he manage to escape. Same deal here.
  9. Master_Starwalker Manager Emeritus

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    You're assuming the Republic would believe that the Chancellor is a Sith Lord and would go along with the Jedi arresting the Chancellor.
  10. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    Three dead bodies of Jedi Masters and the eyewitness accounts of two Jedi, one who is the Senior member and the other a hero of the war, would be sufficent.
  11. MASTER_DOODOO Jedi Master

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    The chancellor is not going to be taken alive. I am sorry.
  12. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    Cut off his hands and smack him upside his head, hard enough to knock him out, he will be taken alive.
  13. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    That should be in the Jedi Code.
  14. Master_Starwalker Manager Emeritus

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    For all they know the noble Chancellor was framed by the two Jedi. We know they can go bad no matter how respected they are, afterall look at Count Dooku.
  15. MASTER_DOODOO Jedi Master

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    Good point. Dooku was too dangerous to be kept alive. Besides, he had control of the courts and the senate. Mace should have stabbed him.
  16. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    Like I said, there needs to be enough time to bring the Council back and to convince Anakin that the man is a liar and not to be trusted. Palpatine moved against the Jedi so quickly, not just because they were going to come back against them, but so that they cannot turn the tables on him.
  17. Master_Starwalker Manager Emeritus

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    Convincing Anakin doesn't mean that the Senate will be convinced.
  18. RamRed Force Ghost

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    They have no real evidence that Palpatine was a Sith Lord or responsible for starting the Clone Wars. Just the word of a Jedi Master and a young Jedi Knight.

    And considering that the Jedi had failed to inform the Senate of their intentions to arrest - or in Yoda's case, kill - Palpatine, they would have been in deep trouble with the Senate.

    Why would they have to convince Anakin, since he was the one who had alerted Mace that Palpatine was a Sith Lord?
  19. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    No, it doesn't. But getting help from Senators that they trust and who distrust Palpatine, would help.

    There's the Lightsaber in Palpatine's office, his Sith robes and the holonet transmitter that has the Separatists on "speed dial". Not to mention that once the Separatists are captured, they can testify that Darth Sidious had control of the Senate and was in league with Count Dooku. Identification process will determine that he is him.

    They need to convince Anakin to not trust this man who will try and twist him against the Jedi.
  20. RamRed Force Ghost

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    What does this have to do with informing the Senate about Palpatine, since Anakin was the one who had informed the Jedi?
  21. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    Mace needs to convince Anakin that Palpatine cannot be trusted. That's why he shouldn't have tried to kill Palpatine in front of him. Anakin still trusts Palpatine, even though he knows that he shouldn't. By taking Palpatine back to the Temple, alive, Mace can try to convince Anakin of this. Not only that, but Mace would be making a much calmer and more rational decision here, rather than when he was goaded into changing his mind. He could then try to gather evidence, while convincing Anakin that Palpatine is the prince of lies and not to be trusted.
  22. Master_Starwalker Manager Emeritus

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    It would but they could do that even if they killed him.
  23. MASTER_DOODOO Jedi Master

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    Palpatine needed to be stabbed. That's all there is to it.
  24. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    Is that before or after Mace's severed head hits the floor? Anakin will go ballistic on Mace and kill him for denying him his one chance at saving Padme. It's also whether or not Mace doesn't start to turn because he killed in vengeance.

    No, he needed to be contained for now. Mace needed not to get angry and change his mind from arresting to murder.
  25. Master_Starwalker Manager Emeritus

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    Anakin's blindness doesn't make Mace wrong.


    It wasn't vengeance. It was Mace doing what was necessary to defend the Republic.
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