Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Jinnobi, May 19, 2005.
I would like to knw.
I'm kinda wondering that myself, since Yoda was beat by Palpatine...but Mace almost had him beat.
Yoda, Mace got punked
Mace didn't almost have Palpatine beat. Palpatine was playing him like a fool.
Yoda whooped Palps good.
Notice the transition between the two duels at the time.
Obi Wan has the high ground...Palpatine has the high ground.
anakin ignores this and gets schooled.
Yoda recognizes this and bails.
PALPS WAS FAKING IT!! OH MY GOD IT WAS SO OBVIOUS!
imo - yoda.
nothing to back that up, just a purist at heart.
Not even close
Yoda is more powerful. Mace couldn't do that electricity stuff.
In the words of Triumph the Insult Comic Dog, "The correct answer is...who gives a crap?"
Yoda came across as more powerful in the film I thought, Sidious definatly seemed to take it up a gear in their fight. I was worried Mace would appear stronger but their fights are completely different, and I can't help but think Sidious was faking how beaten he really was with Mace all in a bid to get Anakin to join him.
Yoda, but I am much more of a Mace fan than I was two days ago, he held his own.
Yoda, in my opinion, is more powerful than Sidious.
i find it really annoying when someone in any film has a chance to kill the bad guy and waits coz he wants to "talk" to him for a while first and ends up loosing!
if mace just got on with it as soon as palpatine fell over.just showved his sabre into his head.....it would be the end! no order 66,no dead jedi, no corruption!
Palpatine seems to sense the future more than anyone. He knew Anakin was coming. So yes, he faked weakness. But, the fight with Yoda was real and there was no victory on either hand. What I saw: Yoda was a better lightsaber duelist, but accidentally lost the lightsaber. Then managed well lightning but the impact blew them away from each other and that's how it ends. "No victory credits". Fact is, Yoda is more powerful.
palp was not faking it. Mace had him beat. in a EU interview GL says it. get the magazine SFX at barnes and noble and read for yourself about the Mace and palp fight.
Yoda, for overall knowledge/use of the Force. Mace is the better swordsman..hell, he created his lightsaber technique! Palpatine manipulated Anakin with the "only way to save Padme" BS to save his butt. Shooting lightning from his back was a last ditch effort..the weakling voice was all an act though.
As I said a couple of times, I never really understood how this debate could have kept going on for so long. There are many concrete evidences that clearly show that Yoda is more powerful.
1-Yoda is more sensitive in the force : he sensed when Anakin's mother died while Mace didn'T have a clue.
2-With a lightsaber, wether or not his duel with Dooku was silly, one has to admit that when it comes to speed and agility, that was hard to beat. I mean he's moving so fast the only thing you can see is his blade spinning in the air. And if Mace disarms Sidious, it appears Yoda makes him lose his lightsaber as well.
3-Mace need his lightsaber to block Sidious' lightning, and still, it's obvious he can't stand it very long. Yoda blocks and even deflects Sidious' lightning with his bare hands and he doesn't even blink.
So I don't mind if we keep talking about that since I like that kind of "who's the most powerful" threads. but on a more serious note, Yoda is really the most powerful Jedi, it's obvious because he does what nobody else can do.
Mace did nothing compared to what Yoda did in ROTS.
Everyone in the theatre agreed that during the Mace fight, Sidious was far superior until Mace knocked him down.
But Sidious got him back when he instantly kills him.
At least Yoda can block Sid's lightning without a lightsaber.
Can Mace do that????
"POWER UNLIMITED POWER!!!"
"PALPS WAS FAKING IT!! OH MY GOD IT WAS SO OBVIOUS! "
Thank you, I thought I was the only one who noticed this. Sids wouldn't have allowed Mace to kill him. He was using the whole thing as an instrument in Anakin's turn. How obvious could it have been?
Yoda fought the super pissed off, and unleashed Emperor, frisbee throwing and everything. Yoda held his own, and even kicked some of his own ass.
I saw ROTS and no one will convince me. Yoda is the ultimate force user in Star Wars-the best. Palpatine felt like Dooku, there was no exit confronting Yoda.
Yoda did not lose.
Palps was not faking it...he didn't know Anakin was coming...Mace punked him and had him beaten when Anakin walked in and turned the tide. Would Sids have given up? No, but his tactics changed when Little Orphan Annie walked in.
Yoda left becuase it was smart. He wasn't scared or beaten, but he knew with what was happening, he had to get out of there. It's like Dooku running away when he had the chance in AOTC. He wasn't beaten, he had to leave.
Yoda hands down is more powerful and a better swordsman, we didnt see how yoda could've whooped palps because they took the fight into another ring so to speak, something, mace couldn't do. Mace is NOT the better swordsman, yoda just wasnt givin the chance to whoop palp, in the end, who walked away from their duel and who didn't?
Yeesh. When I get out of the movie, and instead of talking to my friends about how awsome it was, we're screaming at eachother because they think Mace was more powerful than Sidious? That pissed me off. They just didn't get it into their head that Sidious was just acting for Anakin's sake...
Really, picture it. Say Sidious doesn't play helpless, and strikes Mace down instantly, Anakin would never have turned, he would have seen Sidious for the evil that he was... But when Mace becomes the badguy, trying to destroy a "defenseless" opponent, turning becomes a simple matter.
Nobody seemed to accept this because Anakin ran in AFTER Sidious fell... Which is just asinine. Wether Papls sensed Akakins arrival, or his Saber was really knocked from his hand, it was definatly not the end... He woulda done something.
I think they are close, but Yoda got a little ahead of Mace. Yoda has lives for so many yrs,
he has a lot of experience & is wiser. Mace is a very serious fighter(sometimes I think him
using the dark side of the force). I think if Ani has not intervened the fight between Mace
& Palpy, Mace will win(even Palpy was faking!), after a long & hard battle. But for Master Yoda,
he will own Palpy very quickly, period. If not he is weaken by the disturbance of the force of
the comrades that are killed and the cloud of dark side influence(he fights right at the heart of Coruscant!),
Palpy will die quickly. That's why Palpy want to escape.
Make me wonder why Yoda can't stay in Coruscant. He & Mace together.....Palpy + Vader cannot even match.
To me he did fake. He said something like "I have no power left" and then used volts again to push Mace out the window. Explanations?
Palpatine played Mace like a fiddle. Mace did EXACTLY what Palpatine wanted. HOWEVER, I don't think getting mangled by his own lightning was part of his plan, he still wanted Mace to be on the verge of killing him so he could bring out the final moment of change in Anakin. Without this moment I don't know that Vader would've been the same Vader that Palpatine wanted.
It seemed to me that Yoda had the upper-hand for several moments durint his fight with Palpatine, and I believe that had it continued Yoda would have won eventually. Though Palpatine is nothing to scoff at, perhaps second most powerful being in existence next to Yoda.
Anakin/Vader or Mace maybe comes in third.
at that point he was faking it, obviously...but before that...he was totally pwn3ed.
I think that Mace was tricked by Palpatine. He could have easily defeated Mace, but his intentions were elsewhere. As for Yoda, I saw it as more of a standoff. In the long run, Palps may have defeated Yoda because he cheated, but Yoda held his ground well.