Yoda was a Sith.

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  1. DarthCheckers Jedi Padawan

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    Crazy! I know! An in-game friend on World of Warcraft sent me an in-game whisper a few days ago saying exactly that. Yoda was a Sith. It boggled me! Who could say such a thing?? I told him no no, impossible! Then he gave me his reasoning, which I found to be very interesting. He quoted to me one of Yoda's most famous lines. "Do or Do Not. There is no try." Then he quoted to me one of Obi-Wan's lines. "Only a Sith deals in absolutes." I think you see where I am going with this :p

    Now I don't know if this has ever been discussed on these forums before, or if I'm even posting in the right forums, but I wanted to see what the JCF had to say about this? Get some other SW Fans perspectives on it. Are Kenobi's words just being taken too seriously? or was he saying something that was common knowledge amongst the Jedi?





    Chex?
  2. DarthBoba Manager Emeritus

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    Yeah, no...by your logic, every Jedi is a Sith, as they all speak in absolutes at some point or another.
  3. DarthCheckers Jedi Padawan

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    It isn't my logic, obviously. Kenobi was the one who said it *winks*
  4. BigBoy29 Jedi Master

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    What was Master Yoda's Sith name?


    <Palpatine, walking side by side with Master Yoda>

    "You have done well Lord Froggy, together we shall rule the galaxy..."
  5. ILuvJarJar Force Ghost

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    [face_laugh] WIN [face_laugh]
  6. SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus

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    Yoda was a Sith.

    [face_hypnotized]

    Is this a humor thread?
    If it isn't, then this question tops my list of all things PATENTLY ABSURD.


  7. anakin_luver Jedi Grand Master

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    yaahhh...
    no, sorry not happening.

    but that reasoning is interesting, if anything.
  8. Master_Starwalker Manager Emeritus

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    Kenobi's words are being taken too far and are out of context. They're in response to Anakin's "Your either with me or you're my enemy." which makes it clear that it's a response to viewing allegiance through an absolutist prism.
  9. BigBoy29 Jedi Master

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    Didn't the Mace Windu Is A Sith Lord thread reach 4 or 5 pages?

    I put the over/under on this one at 2.

  10. Obi-Chron Force Ghost

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    I think it's a simple case of grammatical omission . . .

    "Yoda was in deep Sith!"
  11. SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus

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  12. _Sublime_Skywalker_ Force Ghost

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    Yoda was a Sith.

    omgz! no way!
  13. Ramza JC Head Admin and RPF Manager

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    My problem is that "Only a Sith deals in absolutes" is, and I'm sure this has been mentioned before, an absolute. By your pal's logic Obi-Wan is a Sith!
  14. DBrennan3333 Jedi Youngling

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    Darn! You beat me to the punch! Yeah, the guy who wrote 'The Secret History of Star Wars' pointed this out.

    But, hey, they're ret-conning the clones into heroes in CW, so the precedent has been set for them to retcon just about anything else. In CW, they'll retcon the stare that Yoda and Mace gave each other in TPM to mean that they were upset about Qui-Gon's revelation of new Siths. They were the two in the Rule of Two!

    Really, if the clones weren't bad, then tyrannical empire isn't bad. If the Empire isn't bad, then Palpatine was good. If Palpatine was good, then those who fought him were bad. Yoda fought Palpatine, hence Yoda is bad. Therefore, Yoda could be a Sith.

    It's all so clear now!
  15. BigBoy29 Jedi Master

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    Yoda was probably a Sith Lord.

    It happened after losing to Palps in ROTS. On Dagobah he got wise to the Dark Side. In ESB and ROTJ he's always trying to steer Luke "the wrong way" - "don't save your friends, you're not ready ... blah blah blah"

    If Luke listened to Darth Froggy and sat tight - ESB and Jedi would have been way different. Master Yoda, err.. Darth Froggy just could'nt keep the leash on Luke long enough.

    DELETED SCENE IN ESB

    <Master Yoda (Darth Froggy) sitting in swamp, looking at hologram transmission of Lord Sidious>

    "Young Skywalker is headstrong and seems not to fear his father ... prevent his departure, I could not."

  16. SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus

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    And to continue that conversation:

    Sidious: "It is no matter. You have done well, my little green friend..."
  17. dvdcdr Jedi Knight

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    What Kenobi said was just bad writing on Lucas's part. One of the few stupid things in an otherwise amazing movie, unfortunately in the middle of the most climactic scene.
  18. DarthDiabolous Jedi Master

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    it is possible yoda could have been a sith earlier in his long long life...

    how else would he know how to absorb and deflect lightning
    how else would he know that the shroud of the darkside blocks everything...

    he may be an ex-sith and turned jedi... althouhg i do doubt it but that is a possibility
  19. Obi-Chron Force Ghost

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    One of many such instances in the PT, I'm afraid. AOTC epitomizes this unfortunate weakness.

    As far as the "Yoda is a Sith" POV . . . I'm sensing some faulty logic in the posts above, e.g.

    - Yoda knew of the darkside
    - The Sith knew of the darkside
    - Therefore, Yoda was a Sith

    which is not different logically than . . .

    - Fred learned Sanskrit to read the Rig Veda
    - Hindus read the Rig Veda
    - Therefore, Fred is Hindu

    This is a faulty conclusion based on true premises. Fred may be a scholar on ancient Indian manuscripts, a 'non-Hindu' theology student, a linguist or a really bored (but intelligent) guy.

  20. ILuvJarJar Force Ghost

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  21. DarthProf Jedi Padawan

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    This argument has always irked me. There is a huge difference between making an absolute either-or type of statement about a particular issue and seeing the entire universe as black or white. Anakin was putting everything into neat little dichotomies: good/bad, with me/against me, right/wrong, etc. Very few things are truly dichotomous, especially when people are involved. Apparently Obi-Wan associated this type of thinking with the Sith.

  22. Obi-Chron Force Ghost

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    [image=http://www.freddieandboris.co.uk/Fred400dpi.jpg]
  23. SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus

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    So if Fred looks a bit like a tan, fat nosed and slightly taller Yoda, does that make him a Sith as well?
  24. Master_Starwalker Manager Emeritus

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  25. BigBoy29 Jedi Master

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    Have we accidentally solved the Sifo-Dyas mystery?

    He studied Latin, and where are many Latin texts found? The archives.

    FRANK!!!!!!! :eek:
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