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Saga Yoda was right?

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by Jedi_Master_Laker, Dec 31, 2015.

  1. Jedi_Master_Laker

    Jedi_Master_Laker Jedi Grand Master star 2

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    When Luke wants to leave Dagobah and help Han and Leia on Bespin Yoda warns him of.the cost of.that decision. If he didn't go then Han would be taken to Jabba, possibly not in carbonite causing Jabba to kill him since he doesn't have his trophy. Hence no Kylo, who has caused much suffering. Just a retro twist that could be made to fit continuity.
     
  2. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Han was going to be frozen regardless of Luke leaving, because Vader wanted a test subject for Luke. Jabba only chose to leave Han frozen because he found it to be more of a fitting punishment than feeding him to either the Rancor or the Sarlacc.
     
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  3. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Yoda was right about the potential cost of the decision. Luke just ended up proving better able to handle himself than Yoda or Kenobi anticipated.
     
  4. ObiWanKnowsMe

    ObiWanKnowsMe Jedi Master star 4

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    I agree with anakinfansince1983... Cant blame Yoda for his distrust in Luke after what his father did
     
  5. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It's not so much what Anakin did, but that in general, training someone so late and with strong attachments is a difficult position to take. Yoda knows that they need Luke, but his years of training Jedi the old way are still at the forefront of his mind.
     
  6. LordDallos

    LordDallos Jedi Master star 3

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    Yoda was right in that Luke going did not do Han or Leia any good. Han still got frozen. Leia and Chewy would have escaped the same with or without Luke's intervention.
     
  7. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Chosen One star 5

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    In the end, the difference it made was that Vader cut off Luke's hand and told him the truth. This saved them both in the long run, since the truth made Luke want to save his father from the dark side and his prosthetic hand helped him see the danger he was in before it was too late.
     
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  8. EntechednReformatted

    EntechednReformatted Jedi Master star 2

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    I'm not so sure Leia and Chewy would have escaped if Luke hadn't been there. They would almost surely have had to deal with Vader if Luke hadn't been keeping him busy. That would have reduced their odds of a successful escape by a lot.

    The whole "Luke accomplished nothing by going to Bespin" idea never clicked for me.
     
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  9. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Vader had told Lando that he was going to leave them there and only changed his mind when Luke showed up. Odds are that Vader would have kept up his end of the bargain and let them go, if Luke hadn't showed up.
     
  10. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 10

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    ^ No way. They were Vader's best bait for luring Luke into another trap and his best information source for figuring where Luke might be hiding. He'd alter the bargain however he needed to until he got Luke where he wanted him.
     
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  11. LordDallos

    LordDallos Jedi Master star 3

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    So correct me if I am wrong, but are you saying the deal would have gotten worse all the time?
     
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  12. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Except if Luke doesn't come for his friends, then Vader would believe that Luke didn't have an attachment to them. That's the only reason he did all that.
     
  13. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 10

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    They're still his best lead to get to Luke, and they're known leaders of the rebel alliance. Vader will not let them go free. Either prison or execution is possible, but they're not walking away from Vader.
     
  14. CT1138

    CT1138 Jedi Master star 4

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    I agree with Sarge. There's no way that Vader is letting Leia go a second time, nor the guy that shot him down. Plus, the fact that they're two high ranking Rebellion leaders is more than enough reason to ensure their capture. Could you imagine what Imperial High Command, or even Palpatine, would say if they learned Vader had just let Leia Organa and Han Solo just fly away?
     
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