OK, just a few random thoughts regarding posts here: "Palpatine never suspects that Darth Vader will betray him." I think that he might have sensed this. When Vader hands him Luke's lightsaber, he comments, "By now you must know your father can never be turned from the dark side." He wants to try to convince Luke (and perhaps Vader!) that this is really true. But if it is true, why does he need to say it? Because this is exactly what Luke is trying to do, and I think Palpy knows it and is worried. It will be interesting to see how the Jedi learn of Palpatine's true identity... The only ones who really have to know in the long run are Yoda and Obi-Wan. Maybe the rest never find out. It seems that even in the OT, very few know that he is the Sith Master. Tarkin doesn't seem to. (He comments to Vader that he is "all that's left of that religion".) "I think Yoda was wise enough to figure it out and not argue with the will of the Force." In TPM, Qui-Gon certainly believed in the will of the Force, perhaps more so than Yoda. There's a reversal between the OT and the PT such that the side of the Force that's in power in each respective trilogy seems to be the more flawed of the two. Kind of like how when a car skids out of control in snow, it often "fishtails" back out of control in the opposite direction. Some great discussion going on here!!