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You Served My Father During the Clone Wars???

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by MASTER-OF-EVIL, Apr 22, 2007.

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  1. MASTER-OF-EVIL

    MASTER-OF-EVIL Jedi Master star 4

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    This is a simple question yet there is no answer for it.

    I didn't see Obi-Wan serve under Bail Organa during the Clone Wars. Eu or not. And on another note, why would Jedi serve under senators in the first place, in my eyes it makes them even more vulnerable than they already are. Has there been any account where Obi-Wan served Bail Organa during the Clone Wars?


    Tell me what you think?


    M-O-E
     
  2. Eazye

    Eazye Jedi Youngling

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    As a Jedi, he served under the republic senate, thus her farther.
     
  3. MASTER-OF-EVIL

    MASTER-OF-EVIL Jedi Master star 4

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    I know they served the Senate as in the Republic but from Leia's message in ANH, it seemed more like on a personal level rather than a generalization of serving the Republic thus meaning serving the senators.
     
  4. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    He did, in the EU. There's a Marvel Comics story where Obi-Wan goes to Alderaan for some mission or another.
     
  5. Yodas_Got_Bed_Head

    Yodas_Got_Bed_Head Jedi Youngling star 2

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    M-O-E, I see your point. From her statement alone, it sounds like Kenobi was a subordinate of Organa (or something to that effect). But I think this is would fall under a generalization knowing what we do about the Jedi/Republic relationship.
     
  6. mylittlegreenfriend8

    mylittlegreenfriend8 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I wondered about this too. My understanding is that as an officer in the army of the republic, he served the republic, which was governed by the...government, for lack of a better term, which was pretty much the senate. But her statement did bug me at first.
     
  7. SithStarSlayer

    SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yes. Just like when old Ben said, "A young Jedi named Darth Vader..."Skywalker and Vader were two different people, Kenobi's EU history wasn't written until years after the actual dialogue... these are just some of the quirks one gets from winging it.;) Oh wait, Lucas has steadfastly maintained that: "this is how it was ALWAYS supposed to be."


    Leia's message should have said: "My father bailed you out and then taxied you around at the end of the Clones Wars before dumping you off on that hot-rock. He hopes you haven't turned into some crazy old-drunk wizard that twists the truth to suit your needs. Anyways Obi Wan Kenobi, this droid... you remember Artoo don't you? The one you used to crack loose wire jokes about? Where was I? Oh yes, the droid you can't remember has plans to Dead Dooku's Death Star..." :p
     
  8. dianethx

    dianethx Jedi Master star 6

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    LOL, SithStarSlayer, good one. [face_laugh]


    As for the question, that seems odd to me as well. If it was a general statement, then it should have been "You served with my father during the Clone Wars." This sounded very specific as if Obi-Wan was serving as a general under Bail's direct supervision.
     
  9. Dark_Jedi_Kenobi

    Dark_Jedi_Kenobi Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    As others have mentioned, the Jedi served the Republic (Senate) so in an slightly abstract way, Obi-Wan served Leia's father.

     
  10. Yodas_Got_Bed_Head

    Yodas_Got_Bed_Head Jedi Youngling star 2

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    SithStarSlayer
    Yes. Just like when old Ben said, "A young Jedi named Darth Vader..."Skywalker and Vader were two different people, Kenobi's EU history wasn't written until years after the actual dialogue... these are just some of the quirks one gets from winging it.;) Oh wait, Lucas has steadfastly maintained that: "this is how it was ALWAYS supposed to be."
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    I would love to get old GL in a room for 10 minutes and ask him about instances like this...that is if he'd actually give me a straight answer!
    :D

     
  11. RebelScum77

    RebelScum77 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The straight answer is obvious guys. Some parts of the backstory hadn't been fleshed in at the very beginning. So instead of trying to mold the prequel story into the OT exactly quote for quote, Lucas stretched them a bit to tell the story he wanted to tell. Is it really that important that Leia says "you served my father" instead of "served with my father"? He did kind of serve her father, as in he served the Senate. All these little issues have answers, that take only a tiny leap. I don't see what the big deal really is.
     
  12. LordVader66

    LordVader66 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    This question was recently posed in the Literature forum to Charlemagne19, who has a vast knowledge of Star Wars canon.



     
  13. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    That and that Bail visited the Temple often to meet with the Council, as shown in "Labyrinth Of Evil". Along with the old Marvel Comics story where Obi-wan went to Alderaan to settle a matter. Serving Bail Organa is a pretty vague term as we didn't know what it was in 1977. We now know. If you looked too far into it, that's your deal.

    And the young Jedi bit was not far off. Vader was a Jedi under Obi-wan once, but he didn't specifiy all the details to Luke. That statement still holds weight once you look at the rest of the Saga together. You see that Obi-wan did tell the truth, he just told it from a different point of view.
     
  14. PMT99

    PMT99 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Technically, Obi-wan did serve with Leia's father....her actual father, Anakin as they have fought side-by-side throughout the Clone Wars and Obi-wan had formed a secret alliance with Bail after Order 66 was initiated.
     
  15. MOC Vober Dand

    MOC Vober Dand Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I think it's one of those quirks which arose from the whole story kind of being there, but not quite. I think it's OK though. Obiwan served under the Republic and Bail was a representative of that body.

    It's a lot more OK than Leia's memories of Padme anyway!
     
  16. SithStarSlayer

    SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    LOL, We were off topic Scummy...:p

    And NO. You couldn't get a straight answer from Lucas regarding the truth about Darth Vader and Father Skywalker being two different characters.:p But there are plenty of resources out there that proves they were two separate characters. But I bet Lucas goes to his grave still swearing otherwise.:D

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    Back on topic, I thought GL did a great job of tying things together by BEING vague.
     
  17. DarthGimpy

    DarthGimpy Jedi Youngling star 1

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    The first time saw the movie I had thought that if a Young Jedi named Darth Vader had been a pupil of Obi-Wan's, there was their first problem. How would someone named that not have turned out to become a bit of an issue? It all got cleared up later, in ESB. Sorry I just thought I'd add that little anecdote.
     
  18. voodoopuuduu

    voodoopuuduu Classic Trilogy Trivia Host star 5 VIP - Game Host

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    When Obi-Wan and Yoda were on Bail's ship the first time, the clone wars were still going on. Bail didnt like free loaders on his ship and insisted that Yoda and Obi-Wan work for their passage by serving drinks. [face_laugh] :p
     
  19. MOC Vober Dand

    MOC Vober Dand Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    LOL. Although I'd be weary about leaving Kenobi in charge of the bar.
     
  20. mylittlegreenfriend8

    mylittlegreenfriend8 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    With regard to the statement that, wasn't this making it a bit personal, maybe she did try to personalize it so that he would be more inclined to come help her cause? She really couldn't have known that he was sitting there for 20 years watching Luke grow up and just waiting for the time when he could get back into the action and fulfill his destiny, so she figured if she sort of put a name to the face (cause) then she may be able to get him to come. Just a thought.
     
  21. _Sublime_Skywalker_

    _Sublime_Skywalker_ Jedi Master star 4

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    Well the Jedi served the Republic and the Republic's Senate which Bail was an active member of. Obi Wan also seemed to respect Bail in ROTS and had many of the same suspicious feelings as he did. Im sure during the CW there was some mission Bail asked him to do, threw the chancellor or not. Either way, the senate and the Republic are what the Jedi serve and follow, therefore the war they are in they are serving under politicians, Bail happens to be one.
     
  22. voodoopuuduu

    voodoopuuduu Classic Trilogy Trivia Host star 5 VIP - Game Host

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    Yep, Bail quickly found out the truth to all that. Kenobi drunk up all the profits and Yoda kept taking the flashlights yelling "mine, mine, mine".
     
  23. SithStarSlayer

    SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    LOL...

    Any wonder why Old Ben couldn't get the facts straight when he tempted Luke with half-truths in order to recruit him to become a Jedi. Maybe it was the spiked Jawa Juice and Correllian Rum shots that were doing all the talking. =P~

     
  24. Obi-Chron

    Obi-Chron Jedi Master star 4

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    Based upon what we know it would have been more appropriate for Leia to say something like: "General Kenobi. My father saved your butt at the end of the Clone Wars. Now I'm calling in his chips and asking you to save yours truly. Were the stories he told me about you true? You still got what it takes? Prove it!"

    One technicality -- at the end of ROTS Kenobi was on board the Tantive IV, Bail's Consular ship. Bail was at that point in charge and technically all on board served at the pleasure of Sen. Organa. So Voodoo may not have been all that far off the mark (if off at all).
     
  25. Darth_Laudrup

    Darth_Laudrup Jedi Master star 4

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    It's pretty clear to me that serving the Republic meant serving Organa. If you serve a Senator you serve the country.
     
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