Amph "You think you're the only superhero in the world?" The Marvel Cinematic Universe

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  1. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    Marvel Film Updates

    -Ant-Man: Feige says the project is still in the works. Director Edgar [Wright] was in Los Angeles last week when he and Feige sat down to talk his post-"Scott Pilgrim" plans and when he can get to work on "Ant Man".

    Whatever the case the project will not be going into production until next year at the earliest and certainly won't be released until after "The Avengers".

    -Black Widow: There's "definitely a possibility" that Scarlett Johansson's Black Widow character from "Iron Man 2" will get her own spin-off movie.

    -Captain America: Chris Evans is in London now rehearsing. Pre-production is in full swing and photos of the costume tests "are pretty stunning".

    Nick Fury's "Howling Commandos", an elite special unit of U.S. Army Rangers characters from the "Sgt. Fury" comics, will appear in the upcoming film.

    -Incredible Hulk 2: The sequel will not happen before "The Avengers". A scene in "Iron Man 2" indicates events in that film happen BEFORE the events in 2008's "The Incredible Hulk".

    Will Hulk be a part of "The Avengers"? "I certainly think Hulk will be a player on that team." Yet if scheduling keeps Edward Norton away, Feige has a solution - "we reserve the right to say Hulk will be in it for sure, we'll see about [Bruce] Banner"

    -Marvel Heroes: Talking about the minor characters in the Universe, Feige says you won't see a "Dazzler" movie as the character is part of the "X-Men" rights which Fox retains.

    There's a lot of meetings right now about their post-"Avengers" projects for 2013 and 2014. As for what characters - Power Pack, Luke Cage, Dr. Strange, Runaways and Ka-Zar are all being considered for potential films.

    The studio still intends a 'two films a year' release plan. 3D is being considered but will not be employed at the last minute, if they are to do it then it won't likely be a 'conversion job'.

    They're not closing off the possibility of working with other studios on their characters but if they do, expect those films to exists separately - "there's only one place for connective tissue within the... Marvel Cinematic Universe that we're building and those are in the Marvel Studios movies."


    Sony Rushing Forward On "Ghost Rider 2"?

    A sequel to "Ghost Rider" may happen sooner than you think - with or without Nicolas Cage.

    Sony Pictures, who produced the 2007 film, owns the rights to the Marvel Comics character so long as they keep using said character on film. It's a contract clause which forces Fox, Sony, Universal and Lionsgate to keep putting out films featuring the likes of the X-Men, Spider-Man, Punisher, Hulk, Fantastic Four and Daredevil or the rights revert back to Marvel who'd be more than happy to have them back.

    Now, Vulture reports that the rights to 'Rider' will revert back to Marvel late this year unless Sony gets into production on a sequel by no later than November 14th. It's a tricky scenario as the first film was a critical disaster and a costly $110 million to produce. Yet despite a lack of audience familiarity with the character, it made a decent $228 million worldwide.

    A large part of that success wasn't the character but rather Cage's appeal. Thus his involvement in the project is of major importance. Cage's schedule however may not be clear before the deadline as Disney wants him for a third "National Treasure" film which could begin production as early as this Fall.

    The 'Rider
  2. Ramza JC Head Admin and RPF Manager

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    Seriously? I'm not looking forward to this one - the appeal of Hank Pym, for me at least, is the fact that his powers have literally driven him quite crazy over the years, which the film probably won't even touch. If it does, then it'll be a flop. No win scenario.
  3. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    I think the main issue is that Hank Pym is more interesting than Ant-Man. I also don't think you can really market a movie titled "Ant-Man" (or "Gi-ant Man"), though "Yellow Jacket" wouldn't be too bad, but that's not as well known.

    Focus on Hank and his ****ed up marriage to Wasp, with Ultron's creation foreshadowed for a second Avengers film and you're good, though.
  4. Mastadge Manager Emeritus

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    I'm looking forward to it, because Edgar Wright is a director who has yet to let me down.
  5. Reynar_Tedros Force Ghost

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    Still waiting on a good Spider-Man movie. If they cast Percy Jackson and Wichita in the new one, I imagine I'll still be waiting after that.

    Also, lets get Chiwetel Ejiofor in the Black Panther outfit already (or Djimon Hounsou, but he's probably too old).

    And Michael Jai White as Luke Cage.
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  7. Merlin_Ambrosius69 Force Ghost

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    I have to admit I'm thrilled beyond all reason that these movies are happening, and that most of them have been as successful (in popular terms and artistic, IMO) as they have been. As a Marvel fan since the 70s, and especially during the 80s when I had no less than 9 Marvel subscriptions (Iron Man, Thor, Avengers, Captain America, Web of Spider-Man, plus all four Conan titles), today I feel a sense of ownership of, or at least participation in, this phenomenon.

    Without the massive, collective will of the fanbase to make these films, a force which has been snowballing for some decades, there never would have been the numbers, from a marketing standpoint, to produce any of these movies on such a colossal scale or, most importantly, to remain so true to the source material. We, the fans, en masse and individually, can be proud to say that we affected those creative and corporate decisions; we helped to get these movies made.

    Now, with success after success from various teams and approaches and studios, the Marvel film-making machine seems to have reached its stride, and is now building toward its zenith. I feel like the next three films -- Cap, Thor, Avengers -- are movies for which I've been waiting almost my entire life; I remember reading Captain America in 1976 -- the year before Star Wars came out -- and thinking what a great movie it would make! (The 1989 "movie" does not count -- because it doesn't. :mad: [face_sick] [face_plain] ) In 1987 I wrote the first act of a Thor screenplay, using various versions of his comic-book origin story, and some tomes on Norse mythology, as sources. (Even today my 1978 Mego Thor action figure stands guard nobly over my computer, hammer cocked in readiness!) I'm attached to these characters at the heart.

    I'm primed, I'm pumped, I'm ready to cheer for what I imagine (and hope) will become the greatest superhero movie of all time: The Avengers. On the way toward that pie-in-the-sky goal, I'll take each character film as its own entity, not as a mere set-up, and critique each on its own terms. Yet I regard the Avengers as the culmination of all matters Marvel -- and it had better be a 4- or 5-star masterpiece, to justify its own existence!
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    While I largely agree with Merlin_Ambrosius69[/i] -- the shared Marvel film universe is a lovely concept and I'm so glad to see it happening -- I can't help but wonder how broadly shared the sentiment of this unfortunate review of Iron Man 2 is. How invested will people who aren't interested in the comics going to be in this shared universe style of storytelling, especially if it grows? I mean, if Marvel Studios helms films like The Runaways outside the immediate Avengers franchise, will they be throwing in links and easter-eggs to the Avengers films? Will movie fans who aren't comics fans geek out over such gratuitous stuff, or will they be indifferent to it, or annoyed by it?
  9. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    One of the recent interviews I read with the Marvel folk said that, despite the connected nature of the films, they want to make sure each film can stand alone- that you don't need see Incredible Hulk & Captain America to understand Thor, etc (though I imagtine that would apply less to direct sequels ala IM & IM2). I think that might curve some concerns along those lines if that pans out.
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    To be honest I don't feel like it matters. If people miss the point of the inclusion of certain elements, I don't see why that interferes with the enjoyment of the film, and there is something for the fans to enjoy on a whole other level.

    The article you link to asks why anyone else should care who Nick Fury is. And maybe they shouldn't. The way I see it though, its one more inclusion of a larger franchise that I don't find to be any different than laying seeds in any other franchise. Nick Fury and S.H.E.I.L.D. may not have anything to do immediately with the story of Iron Man, but they will. Do nods like the Ten Rings really make that much of a difference?? Not presently no, but in the event they get to doing a Mandarin Story I am sure that will make a lot more sense and make people go back to the first Iron Man movie to enjoy seeing the seeds being laid that they missed the first time.

    As Quest says the films stand alone and serve to tell individual stories. I don't see the problem with weaving in a larger tapestry. Its not like doing so makes the films entirely inaccessible to anyone whose never read a comic. In fact I find it gets more people interested.
  11. Merlin_Ambrosius69 Force Ghost

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    I find that layering in of background material lends verisimilitude to a film; it's akin to the world-building we see in the SW and LOTR films.
  12. Spider-Fan Force Ghost

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    That's along the lines I was thinking as well.
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  14. Merlin_Ambrosius69 Force Ghost

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    That is a freaking awesome -- read: highly informative -- interview and article! Feige confirms that the Avengers will be "a culmination of this first cycle of Marvel films", but that "the cycle was as much about the will to make films with those [individual] characters as much as it is to bring them all together in one film."

    Here's a demonstrative (and juicy!) sample:


    The producer said the sequence of films is a deliberate choice to give each character a debut. "['The Avengers'] comic was not about five new heroes you've never seen before just forming a team. It was about five heroes you've seen, whose comics you've liked, teaming up together for the first time," Feige explained. "The fun for us in an Avengers movie is not just simply having the characters interact together and having to introduce them for the first time, but if you've already seen them and already know them, hopefully, you'll already like them and see how their heroism and how their dynamics change entirely when they're butting up against each other."


    That about sums up the thrill of the Avengers, and Feige's approach and attitude in general (especially about creativity and not caving to fans' demands) is very promising.
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  17. Darth-Lando Chosen One

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    Wow. Sweet Thor picture!
  18. Reynar_Tedros Force Ghost

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    Yeeeeaaaahhhhh, still waiting.

    Sweet Thor picture. After seeing that and the leaked Destroyer pic, this movie will at least look badass.
  19. Merlin_Ambrosius69 Force Ghost

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    That is mighty awesome. I like that they're going with the more modern, armored look, and that he's bearded, and that his hair is kind of a reddish-gold rather than yellow blond. He looks and feels like Marvel's Thor, but also subtly evokes the original mythological conception as well. Bravo, Branagh!
  20. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    I also like that it's a very short beard- sort of a compromise between a fully bearded look and the more common shaved look. Should satisfy everyone.
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    Matthew Vaughn (Layer Cake, Stardust, Kick-Ass) is directing X-Men prequel X-Men: First Class, opening June 3, 2011.
  22. Mastadge Manager Emeritus

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    And Hugo Weaving has been confirmed as the Red Skull in Captain America.
  23. Merlin_Ambrosius69 Force Ghost

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  24. ezekiel22x Chosen One

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    Eh, unless an Age of Apocalypse film ever comes about the continuing Super Hero Boom doesn't really interest me at all. I'd love to see something that feels like an honest to god story in itself rather than another franchise installment that mostly sets up the next installment, which will be slightly different than the previous one, but with a new hottie actress thrown in...ugh.
  25. Spider-Fan Force Ghost

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    Watchmen