Amph "You think you're the only superhero in the world?" The Marvel Cinematic Universe

I think it'll all depend on how the post-Avengers plan falls into place. They might wait on that they might jot. If we were fortunate enough to get some kind of Civil War crossover after Avengers, for example, then I could see them saving Ragnarok plotlines for the build-up to that to take Thor out of the picture (as they did in the comics) which would permit them to go into the whole JMS post-Ragnarok return of Thor/reviving the gods concept which would allow them the option of recasting Thor after 3 Thor movies & 2 Avengers movies if Hemsworth wants to move on.

On a sidenote, it's neat that, after the original Marvel plan changed to have Thor be the 2009 movie alongside IM2, that now an IM and Thor film will share a summer afterall.

The POV shot is pretty impressive, though- not to mention something new. It shouldn't be overused, though, I agree.

Also, in an interview with the CA writers on AICN, there was this amusing bit:

Markus: There are things that I love that I don?t know if they are ever going to make it in, because there is a difference between movies and comics. Some thing don?t translate as well; they just take you out of the movie in some way or another. I still lobby that a MODOK movie would be?
McFeely: (Laughs) He?s talking about Modok, folks!
Markus: It would be terrifying if you pulled it off right.
Beaks: That is the great challenge of our time. Someone is going to nail that, and they are not going to just win an Oscar, they are going to win a Nobel.
McFeely: You?d like to see the MODOK biopic?
Markus: You know who it stars?
McFeely: You think it?s Dinklage.
Markus: I say Peter Dinklage is MODOK. It?s got to be.
McFeely: He?s got a great face.

Non-Bootleg Version is up for ASM teaser

So, after seeing Cap, I was thinking about viewing order for the films. If we assume the order is currently (essentially): IM1, IM2, IH, Thor (though with the overlap between IM2, IH & Thor, one could swap IH & Thor probably), then where could Cap fall into place?

(possible Cap spoilers to follow!)

So, the obvious way is how they were released and to just watch Cap after Thor and before Avengers (it certainly builds off of references to Odin's vault and Yggdrasill).

However, I think it could be viewed earlier on and still work (ignoring the Avengers trailer, Cap's post-credits stinger could currently work without directly leading into Avengers). My thought is there are two interesting alternative ways to watch the movie (well, three, but two that appeal to me).

1) Watch Cap first. Even though there's the modern day framing story, 99% of the movie is WW2 so we'd be watching things more or less in chronological order. As an intro movie, it sets up IM1 via Stark, IM2 via Stark's expo showings (and other details like the shield), IH via the super solider serum developments & Thor via the Odin/Tree stuff.

It also adds to Fury's comment at the end of IM1 about Stark not being the only superhero in the world, and Fury himself has some setup before popping up there. Plus, now when we see the Cosmic Cube in Thor's stinger (or it's earlier cameo in the vault), we have more context of what it is, and it allows the Loki scene to setup/lead into Avengers (which i think flows better, currently).

There's only two catches- first, it obviously depends on how Avengers picks up from Cap's last scene and Thor's stinger. Second, there is a span of what was, IIRC, at least several months between IM1 & IM2, yet IM2, IH, Thor & Avengers all seem to happen either at the same time or are immediately consecutive to one another, so having Fury's comments in Cap's stinger be so far ahead of the actual threats in Avengers (or even IH) seems off (although we could always argue that the framing story of Cap happens after that gap, so it's not a terrible issue).

But that leads to:

2) Watch IM1 first, then watch Cap, then IM2, etc. It's not fully chronological, but it basically let's Cap's frametsory occur in the gap between IM1 & IM2, so we get the setup to Stark's father, etc before it's explored in IM2 (as well as the other content in the other films). Essentially it lets IM1 & IM2 sandwich the Cap setup content.

But, I think either approach puts the pieces into a more linear arrangement that could improve the viewing experience (especially to new viewers) by making the connections between the films more distinct (whereas otherwise audiences might not take particular note of the serum's presence in IH, or the cube in Thor, etc).


Any thoughts?

Huh. I didn't make that connection . I thought it was meant to evoke a proto-Iron Man thing somehow.

I'd disagree there- I think all of the movies so far have had self-contained storylines. They've all just either set up a sequel (Sterns turning into The Leader, Thor looking for Jane, etc) or contained a subplot or book end contributing to Avengers (Stark "consulting", Cap in modern world, etc).

Even IM2, which gets criticized often for just being an Avengers setup, is almost wholly self-contained alongside IM1, with all the SHIELD/Fury stuff being related to the film's core story of Stark needing help and being unable to go it alone. And that's a story that is resolved within IM2.

Garfield's comments are more effective at selling this movie than the teaser.

Also, the Avengers characters posters that have been released seem to fit together- were just missing, presumably, the Hulk:

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Assembled!

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And, while the SHIELD agents like Widow and Hawkeye don't get much background imagery for obvious reasons, they do get the Helicarrier and Quinjets, so that's pretty cool, still!


EDIT- CBR video interview with Joe Q.

Joe talks slightly about post-Avengers plans, without revealing them fully. Whats interesting is that he says they intend for any Cap, IM or Thor sequels to stand alone in that you won't have to see Avengers to follow them.

In other words, they want to treat Avengers as a separate franchise from the other characters so that Cap 2 doesn't become "Avengers Part 2".


Also, at the JMS panel:

Lastly, Straczynski will not be involved with "Thor 2," explaining he just isn't available, but he made certain to stress that the new writer, Don Payne, has done a terrific job on the screenplay.

Apparently Marvel re-evaluated their original decision to not have the Hulk and Banner share the actors' face. So, now, while the Hulk didn't look like Norton in TIH, he does look like Mark in Avengers- and Hulk won't be as "cut" as he was in TIH either.


Part of the teaser is up officially but note that it is prefaced by most of the final pre-credits scene from Captain America and is, essentially, a commercial for the teaser itself.

Here's a screengrab of that:

http://screenrant.com/the-avengers-trailer-button-rob-125981/the-avengers-tony-stark/