Amph "You think you're the only superhero in the world?" - The Marvel Cinematic Universe

Right, that's what I meant. The last major role that he had in Peter's life was back during "The Name Of The Rose" in 1992.

It started before then during the Elektra storyline a few years before then. It just became more personal between them when that happened.

Unless we have more solo films, it won't affect the upcoming Avengers films.

 

GEEEZZZZ! That Captain America news should have a spoiler tag. I've been avoiding the comics thread, where that news belongs, so I wouldn't be spoiled.

The comic book medium doesn't get the same respect as other mediums when it comes to spoilers.

 

Ah sorry, it was in a news article so I thought it had been out for a while.

 

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Part of me thinks that could be a genius twist to see play out in the MCU. Another part of me thinks that the movies taking that route would completely ruin his character though.

 

As for the Kingpin of it all, I think the major point is: He's a very important baddie to multiple characters in the Marvel U, admittedly his biggest stuff comes down the pike in Daredevil (even though he originally appeared in Spider-Man). But I think it'd be kind of needlessly limiting if the only time they use him in the MCU is just for Daredevil / maybe Defenders. He has many different criminal interests that put him into contrast with a lot of heroes. Especially Spider-Man! And he'd totally work in the movies without having to hamper it with the backstory of the Netflix shows and any chance for more D'Onofrio Kingpin is a good thing. If "It's all connected" is the buzzword for the MCU, then let's start making those connections even deeper. And Kingpin is just the character to do it as opposed to how much baggage it would take to bring in somebody from, say, Agents of SHIELD.

 

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I predict it won't affect the movies. Captain America: The First Avenger and The Winter Soldier not only prove that MCU Steve Rogers isn't HYDRA agent, but that it's impossible for him to be one. Also, HYDRA is shifting to the background now and is biggest on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., so what'd be the point?

Also, unlike comics, movie series aren't designed to run forever, so they don't need to resort to cheap gimmicks (like Captain America being HYDRA, or Wolverine dying, or Spider-Man stabbing his wife in the back and becoming a cheap Iron Man ripoff) "to keep things fresh," to "try something new," or whatever other excuse they expect us to swallow to justify it. Bet you dollars to doughnuts that years from now, it'll all be forgotten, retconned, things'll get back to normal, and geeks will be laughing and wondering why this gimmick was even seriously considered, much less committed to print with the idea that people would buy it.

Finally, even if the "real" Captain America is proven to be HYDRA and Marvel refuses to back down, that is not what default version is, the one that has seeped into pop culture, the one that'll outlive everything else (just like the Iron Man Peter Parker isn't going be overwriting the classic version anytime soon, because the latter is what everyone knows and expects to see).

(Incidentally, it's crap like this that keeps me away from comics, except Peter Parker-era Ultimate Spider-Man, the occasional Star Wars, and random other Spidey stuff that wasn't affected by "One More Day": I want to read about the characters I've seen on-screen, the ones that I'm a fan of, not distorted funhouse mirror versions that got nothing to do with the basic premise and principle that made these characters in the first place.)

 

Yeeeeaaaahhhh . . . whoever came up with that can go **** themselves. I'm way more comfortable with Cap dying in the comics than with that bull****.

 

and next....

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Black Panther is secretly a Grand Wizard in the KKK.

 

Yeah. it's gimmicks like this (come off it Brevoort, it IS a gimmick) that made me drop comics like the bad habit they were ages ago. There are just concepts that strain suspension of disbelief to the breaking point and this one just shatters it at max ludicrous speed.

 

comics y'all

I mean **** it they bring people back from the dead all the time but yeah **** this particular twist designed to get you to read more of the title, right? This is what breaks it.

 

The general prediction is

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that one of Cap's enemies had used something like the Cosmic Cube to alter history so that Steve is a Hydra agent.

It's inane stuff like this that keeps me from going back to Marvel.

 

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I have a feeling the whole Cap is a HYDRA Agent is some sort of trick.

 

Did he forget to wash himself after weekly cross burning? (this may need you to read the spoiler to understand the context)

 

Haven't they learned? If they wait till the weekend she'll already have returned, died, and returned again before they even get to the weekend.

 

Re: Cap spoiler. For me, this proves the house of Ideas has run of out of ideas. While I have been pining for Ed Brubaker to come back to fix Bucky and Cap, after reading that spoiler I am now very relieved I've all but stopped buying Marvel comics.

 

I just can't wait to see Coulson's reaction to the Cap spoiler...

 

I don't think anyone should tell Coulson. Look at him, he's just so happy.

 

About the Cap spoiler

"This is really just the tip of the iceberg in a larger story," said Tom Brevoort, executive editor of Marvel Comics told CNNMoney. "The most basic reason for doing this is to see if you're paying attention and make readers long for the next issue."
The twist had been in development since late 2014 and according to Brevoort is the actual Steve Rogers.
"It's not a Steve from the universe next door, it's not a clone, it's not a robot, it's not mind control," Brevoort said.
"This is a bigger story than it seems," Brevoort said. "Hopefully we've got this figured out. If not, you're talking to me on the day I broke Captain America."