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Your vision of the USA in 50 years.

Discussion in 'Archive: The Senate Floor' started by Darth Mischievous, Jul 29, 2003.

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  1. Obi-Zahn Kenobi

    Obi-Zahn Kenobi Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    The right to bear arms will be drastically limited to citizens.

    Can you say secession?
     
  2. andakin

    andakin Jedi Padawan star 4

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    And the constitution of the secessionists will say: All citizens have the right to own and bear arms. And WE MEAN IT THIS TIME!
     
  3. Vaderize03

    Vaderize03 Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The fight over sexual morality and abortion rights, as well as gay marriage, may very well lead to rioting in several cities, or at least some very rancorous behavior between citizens at the private and governmental level.

    Health care will either a) be fixed or b) collapse.

    Terrorists will detonate at least one nuclear device on US soil, leading in all likelihood to WWIII, with the US leading an all-out effort to subjugate and "remake" the arab world in its' image, with potentially disastrous results for the rest of the world.

    A new viral plague will emerge to replace the eventually-cured HIV. It will be more contagious, rapidly fatal, and traverse the world in six weeks, decimating large segments of the planet's population.

    GL will decide he just can't resist a few billion more dollars and start 7, 8, 9, and he will let his son Jett direct them. Jar-jar's son will play a prominent role.

    Cheeful, eh?

    Peace,

    V-03
     
  4. Dusty

    Dusty Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I personally liked: [blockquote]"Health care will either a) be fixed or b) collapse."[/blockquote]
     
  5. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    [face_laugh] @ Vaderize-03!!! Great vision of Health Care... ;)

    I'd say this; think Britain's influence, worldwide, after WWII. That'll be the US then, when China and India rise to the global stage. IMO.

    Otherwise, see: Blade Runner! ;)

    E_S
     
  6. TacoAvenger

    TacoAvenger Jedi Youngling

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    In the year two thousaaaaand....
     
  7. Saint_of_Killers

    Saint_of_Killers Jedi Youngling star 5

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    I prefer the year 2525, myself ;)
     
  8. KaineDamo

    KaineDamo Jedi Youngling star 5

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    Not Cliopatra 2525. That is a truely awful show.

    Anyway, in the future i can honestly see America become more fascist and more overbearing, getting involved in the internal politics of Arab countries, dictating a sort of "Christrian" regime, etc. If worst comes to worst, gradually Americans will start to view liberalism in the same way they view communism (probably saying "look at this liberal, he was an evil sonofa!"), and Americans will justify more and more atrocities in the name of a "Christian" agenda. Either that, or the population of America will wise up. Burgular's will no longer succsesfully sue their victims, homosexuals WILL be equal among their fellow man, social politics will catch up with Europe, the population of America will no longer think of politics in terms of "you disagree with me, you = enemy", etc.
     
  9. GrayJedi

    GrayJedi Jedi Youngling

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    My vison of the U.S.A. 50 years from now is a nation that includes all of North and South America, with the addition of Australia and all the U.K. We would no longer be the U.S.A. We would be The United Federated Provinces of Imperial Earth.

    Demmocracy would be almost non-existent. Since so many past citizens gave up most of their rights in lieu of a so-called safer life(the idiots). The rest of the world would be seen as threat to the sovereignty to the Empire, because they do not accept our rule. With the advancement of the Star Wars 3 program, we control the the skys and beyond. Threat of ICBM's are not even a concern. Let alone the ability to wipe out whole fleets and small city's from orbit. With the advancement of project Atlantis advancements, a project that has adapted alien technogly to aquatic warfare, the Empire now has complete control of the oceans. War would go on no less than 15 years the Earth is finally under one government. Peace is almost at hand, but the Empire is destroyed from within by greedy aristocrats, bureaucrats, corporate leaders, and politicians. Also tree hugging rebels unite around the world and attack when the Empire is most comfortable and at it's weakest. The Martian and Lunar Colonials also join in the battle. They eventually over throw the Empire and establish the world's first Planetary Democracy. The new System government is now known as United Systems. In effect, the U.S. still exists, but in abbreviations only.

    Also I like pourage. J/J

    This is one of my many views of the U.S. in the future.
     
  10. Red-Seven

    Red-Seven Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Kaine, your image of America is just as slanted as the American's view of Europe that you condescend. That paragraph was ridiculous.
     
  11. KaineDamo

    KaineDamo Jedi Youngling star 5

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    I dunno... i think the bad vision i gave would make for a decent science fiction movie.
     
  12. The Gatherer

    The Gatherer Jedi Youngling star 6

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    Okay,

    Getting back to the topic of the near future in the USA, I found a VERY interesting article at the following link:

    [link=http://www.futures.hawaii.edu/j9/poast.pdf]http://www.futures.hawaii.edu/j9/poast.pdf[/link]

    (PDF File).

    It suggests a non-hereditary American Monarcy. Some of the proposals are quite sound and very interesting.

    I would LOVE to read everyones thoughts on this article!!!
     
  13. Jabbadabbado

    Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    "non-hereditary American Monarchy."

    As long as we don't place any 14-year-old virginal queens on the throne...although I do like the makeup and the fancy headdress.
     
  14. The Gatherer

    The Gatherer Jedi Youngling star 6

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    Well,

    If you took the time to read the article, I believe it states that the minimum age should be 55 years.
     
  15. ShaneP

    ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    "As long as we don't place any 14-year-old virginal queens on the throne...although I do like the makeup and the fancy headdress"

    ROTFL!!

    It must be one of the "Royal Laws" that they cannot speak monotone too.

     
  16. Saint_of_Killers

    Saint_of_Killers Jedi Youngling star 5

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    Pfft. Like Amidala was a virgin.
     
  17. ShaneP

    ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    SoK ROTFLMAO at the first line in your sig!
     
  18. ElfStar

    ElfStar Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I see only two divergent possibilities, overall, for the future. Then again, my knowledge of the future is somewhat limited, so everything I say is just an educated guess filtered through my limited experience.

    Possibility

    1) As the terrorist threat to global peace becomes more obvious and severe, a revival similar to the Great Revival occurs somewhere in the world. This could be in America, or it could be in any number of countries. Either this would lead to America becoming more like its idealistic vision when it was created, or some new confederation similar to the original America. This would unfortunately probably lead to a prolonged conflict between the terrorists as fanatic muslim's hatred for christianity grows.

    2) America becomes increasingly socialistic economically and totalitarian socially. Freedom of religion becomes a scarce commodity, that is, unless it's the religion of Tolerance. Some global entity, possibly the EU, in collaboration with America or other countries, forms something of a global government. Terrorists constantly threaten and attack this entity, and because the government does not deal with the terrorist threat in an effective fashion, it continues to gnaw at the legs of the government. Christianity becomes increasingly persecuted around the globe, seen as "intolerant, hateful, and anachronistic" by the Global Government and "Satan worship" by terrorists(surely there is irony there!).

    Basically, the same as always.

    ~ElfStar~
     
  19. Saint_of_Killers

    Saint_of_Killers Jedi Youngling star 5

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    " Either this would lead to America becoming more like its idealistic vision when it was created, or some new confederation similar to the original America."

    Have you read the Constitution? A theocracy is not what was originally invisioned.

    "America becomes increasingly socialistic economically and totalitarian socially. Freedom of religion becomes a scarce commodity, that is, unless it's the religion of Tolerance"

    So you're saying a theocracy, a religion based on religion, and one religion in particular, will be less totalitarian socially(isn't it Christians who are so fond of sodomy laws?), and will have more religious freedom, despite the fact that the government is beholden to one particular religion(or do you just mean freedom for your religion?)

    "Christianity becomes increasingly persecuted around the globe"

    Christians haven't been fed to lions in nearly 2,000 years. Get over it.
     
  20. ElfStar

    ElfStar Jedi Padawan star 4

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    " Either this would lead to America becoming more like its idealistic vision when it was created, or some new confederation similar to the original America."

    Have you read the Constitution? A theocracy is not what was originally invisioned.


    Don't twist my words. I didn't say anything about Theocracy.

    "America becomes increasingly socialistic economically and totalitarian socially. Freedom of religion becomes a scarce commodity, that is, unless it's the religion of Tolerance"

    So you're saying a theocracy, a religion based on religion, and one religion in particular, will be less totalitarian socially(isn't it Christians who are so fond of sodomy laws?), and will have more religious freedom, despite the fact that the government is beholden to one particular religion(or do you just mean freedom for your religion?)


    I mean that a government based on biblical principles(NOT a theocracy), will produce a free society, where people will be allowed to worship as they will freely.

    "Christianity becomes increasingly persecuted around the globe"

    Christians haven't been fed to lions in nearly 2,000 years. Get over it.


    But they are killed, maimed, and persucuted in many countries around the globe. America's not the only country in the world, you know. Get over yourself. ;)

    ~ElfStar~
     
  21. Saint_of_Killers

    Saint_of_Killers Jedi Youngling star 5

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    Well Christians ain't the only religion getting slaughtered. People calling themselves Christians have done their fair share of mayhem as well.

    How is a government based on the holy book of a particular religion not a theocracy?
     
  22. ElfStar

    ElfStar Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Well Christians ain't the only religion getting slaughtered. People calling themselves Christians have done their fair share of mayhem as well.

    Did I say otherwise?

    How is a government based on the holy book of a particular religion not a theocracy?

    Because it does not require subscription to that religion, only that you accept the basic governing principles therein(Basically like America). And yes, I know that many of the founding fathers were not Christians. But for the most part they agreed with the biblical principles of governing. I believe Thomas Jefferson even produced a Bible with the theological passages taken out, leaving only the moral instructions.
     
  23. Saint_of_Killers

    Saint_of_Killers Jedi Youngling star 5

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    A government based on a religion is a theocracy, even if it doesn't require citizens to be of that religion.

    What exactly would this 'biblical prinicples' entail? What would be different? Maybe I was quick to jump to conclusions, and I do try to be openminded, so tell me, what sort of laws would you see enacted? What sort of policies?
     
  24. ElfStar

    ElfStar Jedi Padawan star 4

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    A government based on a religion is a theocracy, even if it doesn't require citizens to be of that religion.

    What exactly would this 'biblical prinicples' entail? What would be different? Maybe I was quick to jump to conclusions, and I do try to be openminded, so tell me, what sort of laws would you see enacted? What sort of policies?


    Fair enough. At least you're willing to hear me out, which is more than some people would be willing to do.

    It really wouldn't diverge much from the original constitution of the United States. It would state that all men are created equal, and it would have a bill of rights stating what that entails(freedom of religion, right to bear arms, freedom of the press, etc.).

    You know, hopefully they wouldn't pick me to write the constitution. I'm not much of a legal writer. I just throw out the ideas.

    ~ElfStar~
     
  25. Saint_of_Killers

    Saint_of_Killers Jedi Youngling star 5

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    So what would be the difference between what we have now and what you want?
     
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