"Youre a much wiser man than I am", Obi also says this to Anakin...why?

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  1. Darthbane2007 Force Ghost

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  2. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    :confused: Eh?
  3. Obi-Chron Force Ghost

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    ^^^

    . . . by Anakin, that is! :-B
  4. SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus

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    Brilliant observation Massster Obi-Chron.
    Anakin's well-wishing actually served as an OT narrative, from a certain point of view.

    Truly wonderful, the mind of a fanboy is...
  5. Aiwendil42 Jedi Knight

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    I don't think that Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan were just humoring their respective apprentices. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that they were right.

    I think Obi-Wan does actually have a decent claim to being wiser than Qui-Gon, though it's certainly a debatable point. Qui-Gon was a little bit of a wild card in the eyes of the Jedi and did sometimes do apparently foolish things (like entrusting their fate to a boy they hardly knew or, more significantly, insisting that Anakin be trained). Now, you might argue that in the end those apparently foolish decisions turned out not to be so foolish at all. Nonetheless, Qui-Gon seems to have recognized this tendency in himself - so perhaps he thought that Obi-Wan was wiser in the conventional sense.

    About Obi-Wan's statement to Anakin - he does not actually say that Anakin is wiser than he. He says that Anakin is "strong and wise" and "a far greater Jedi than I could ever hope to be". Of course he is fully aware of Anakin's penchant for rash decisions - but I think we may tend to underestimate Anakin's wisdom. Anakin was no fool. But in any case, I don't think that Obi-Wan meant that he was less wise than Anakin. His statement is that Anakin is "greater". "Great" can mean a lot of things.
  6. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    Uh, no. That quote wasn't from ROTS. Or in other words:

  7. SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus

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    I think Massster Chron was piecing it together, Fenn.
    That Anakin uttered the phrase first, only in ROTS.

    At least thats what I gathered from it.
    But I'm SGT Shultz here, "I know nothing!"
    :p
  8. Obi-Chron Force Ghost

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    ^^^

    . . . nor, apparently, do I!


  9. Alpha-Red Force Ghost

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    Obi-Wan says it because, to a very good extent, it's true. Anakin had progressed very much over the course of the war, and always went above and beyond the call of duty.

    The fact that he turned to the dark side wasn't because of a lack of wisdom, rather it was the manifestation of what Yoda spoke about in Episode 1 about fear leading to the dark side. Darth Maul said that "fear is my ally" simply because it can be so pervasive, and in this case Anakin simply wasn't prepared to deal with it.
  10. LemmingLord Jedi Master

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    I believe master's say things to students to teach them and encourage them. While I believe Obi Wan did see that Anakin had potential at being wise - given his self control did improve so much between II and III - I think he told Anakin this to encourage Anakin to live up to the faith he was showing in him.

    I don't believe Anakin was all that wise. Maybe the least wise of all star wars characters. :)
  11. GrandAdmiral_Frank Jedi Master

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    [Edit: If it is "Nuff Said", there is no need to say it. LL]
  12. SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus

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    Or the most blind.
  13. Darth_Laudrup Force Ghost

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    Well people say a lot of silly things when they are drunk. :p
  14. SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus

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    Soooo.... Kenobi was 'loaded' for his 'wild-bantha chase'?
    Now, it's all starting to make sense.
    :p
  15. Darth_Laudrup Force Ghost

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    Indeed.

    He knew it was going to be a WILD Bantha Chase, and Kenobi wanted to chase that Bantha with Jedi Master Belushi instead of Wise Anakin.

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  16. _Sublime_Skywalker_ Jedi Master

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    I always used to scoff at this line, Obi Wan really doesn't give himself enough credit.

    Now I understand that it was him encouraging Anakin to keep up the good work. Before the clone wars, Anakin would apologize for lashing out at the masters and embarassing Obi Wan, but it's because he would be required to do so. In ROTS, he actually means his apology and is actually dissapointed at himself for letting the council get to him. It's not him apologizing to his Master anymore, it's him apologizing to a friend. He knows what he did was wrong and uncalled for, and he was finally mature enough to realize that.

    In AOTC, he'd probably just say "THEY'RE HOLDING ME BACK!" and smash a thing or two.
  17. PMT99 Force Ghost

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    Too bad Anakin wasn't mature enough to resist the Dark Side.
  18. DRush76 Force Ghost

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    I think Obi-Wan does actually have a decent claim to being wiser than Qui-Gon, though it's certainly a debatable point. Qui-Gon was a little bit of a wild card in the eyes of the Jedi and did sometimes do apparently foolish things (like entrusting their fate to a boy they hardly knew or, more significantly, insisting that Anakin be trained). Now, you might argue that in the end those apparently foolish decisions turned out not to be so foolish at all. Nonetheless, Qui-Gon seems to have recognized this tendency in himself - so perhaps he thought that Obi-Wan was wiser in the conventional sense.


    I don't exactly agree with assessment. Being cautious doesn't always mean being wise. Nor do I believe that recruiting Anakin into the Jedi Order was a foolish thing on Qui-Gon's part. The Jedi were already in a decline when Anakin joined the Order. If Qui-Gon actually believed that Obi-Wan was wiser (something I have yet to see any proof of), then he was either too modest or really not that wise.
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