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Zelda: Ocarina of Time - Still the Greatest in This Day and Age?

Discussion in 'Archive: Games' started by Valyn, Jan 23, 2008.

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  1. Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon

    Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon Jedi Knight star 6

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    No, YOU'RE right. Newer does generally equal better. Bringing Up Baby doesn't appear on many "top romantic comedy" lists these days not because it's a black-and-white film from the 30s which is generally too old for target demographics to be interested in, but because it's simply not as good as movies like My Best Friend's Wedding.

    Anyone who prefers some older things to some newer things and says that best-of lists are skewed towards the recent MUST be an elitist. But then, how come you didn't call out the guy who said that N64-era games are better than modern games?
     
    Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon, Jan 25, 2008
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  2. Darth_Omega

    Darth_Omega Force Ghost star 6

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    Because I actually don't have any preference when it comes 2D vs 3D nor older graphics vs newer graphics. Your post although nice, is aimed at the wrong person. Good try though. [:D]

     
    Darth_Omega, Jan 25, 2008
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  3. roxez

    roxez Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Why is VI afraid of VII?

    Because VII is followed my a million rabid fanboys who hate VI simply because it is "teh 2-D"!!!

    While I think OoT is great, on my top ten for greatest games of all time, I agree with Quest: I like LttP better. I can't explain why, I just do.

    That's okay though. Quest and I are simply from the "Nintendo" generation, not the "Playstation" generation.

    Both of which are better than the "XBox" generation :p
     
    roxez, Jan 25, 2008
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  4. Ogmios22188

    Ogmios22188 Jedi Master star 4

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    Well, Ocarina of Time is still the highest-rated game of all time, so, I guess the answer is yes.
     
    Ogmios22188, Jan 25, 2008
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  5. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    No, they didn't include it as it had recently been rereleased on the GBA and they didn't want to affect sales.


    You collect bottles in both games :p

    I think the tone of previous post may have been misinterpreted- it was meant to be half-joking, as I do feel there is an element along those lines at play in general (especially when you see so much focus on the graphics element of gaming over the past 5 or 6 years); however, I don't think that's really the case with the OOT/ALTTP situation (though I do think more gamers have only had the opportunity to play OOT between the two may play a factor as well [we've seen lots of people mention they just never had access to the game]- especially as there's now a generation of gamers who never had the chance to play anything that predated the N64).

    Both OOT & ALTTP have their strengths and weakness compared to the other in terms of which is the better overall game- it's why the debate exists in the first place. I can understand why someone would select either one of those as the better game, same goes for game review magazines.

    ALTTP:
    -Introduced dual-world game mechanics, which 4 Zelda games (OOT and TP, most notably) and several others (including a Metroid game), have implemented as a fundamental game design component.
    -Established game structure pattern of nearly every Zelda game that followed it (most commonly the 3-dungeons, then get Master Sword, then 7 dungeons/items to reach Ganon structure), including OOT.
    -Established the storyline of the Zelda series, in particular OOT.
    -Better music, though this is a debatable topic in of itself.
    -Slightly less linear in design.

    OOT:
    -Introduced Z-trigger lock, a staple of several 3D genres (mostly 3rd person action/adventure titles, but also 1st person titles like Metroid Prime) control schemes.
    -Better characters & dialogue. Definitely a more cinematic element provided by the 3D nature of the game.

    So they're mostly even at that point, OOT getting points for further innovation which are ironically negated by losing points for some lack of originality (outside of the understandable structure of being a fleshed out telling of the ALTTP prologue).

    From that point things are debatable, and where your opinion falls in those areas are likely to determine where you fall in the OOT/ALTTP comparison: story, atmosphere, pacing, boss fights, etc. One can make a solid argument for either game in these categories, but there's not gonna be a clear consensus.
    Do you prefer the "stopping a returning ancient evil from being let loose from it's prison" basis of ALTTP's story, or the "stopping a rising evil from being victorious" basis of OOT?
    Do you prefer the more woodsy, creepier, darke
     
    The2ndQuest , Jan 25, 2008
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  6. SoloCommand

    SoloCommand Manager Emeritus & GTA Coruscant Developer star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Or you could have said "Yes, it is a good game. I agree."
     
    SoloCommand, Jan 25, 2008
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  7. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I could have, but then you wouldn't have been able to post that sarcastic comment. And I'm always thinking of your needs.
     
    The2ndQuest , Jan 25, 2008
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  8. Boba_Fett_2001

    Boba_Fett_2001 Chosen One star 8

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    I'm pretty sure Wand of Gamelon is the greatest game of all-time.
     
    Boba_Fett_2001 , Jan 25, 2008
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  9. Darth_Omega

    Darth_Omega Force Ghost star 6

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    I forgive you :p [:D]

    Yeh I was only half seriously ;) I also misquoted the wrong post, I do think lots of new gamers don't want to play 2D games because of the graphics but I really don't think that's the reason why OoT is more popular then LttP (considering OoT graphics are horrible by today's standards).

    As for the rest of your post I disagree and agree with some parts, can't be bothered to specify which part. :p
     
    Darth_Omega, Jan 25, 2008
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  10. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Status quo restored. [:D]
     
    The2ndQuest , Jan 25, 2008
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  11. Boba_Fett_2001

    Boba_Fett_2001 Chosen One star 8

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    Surely, you agree with me.
     
    Boba_Fett_2001 , Jan 25, 2008
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  12. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    No one agrees with you.
     
    The2ndQuest , Jan 25, 2008
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  13. tom

    tom Chosen One star 8

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    nothing will ever top galaga.
     
    tom, Jan 25, 2008
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  14. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    [image=http://www.gothicrevue.com/Ikaruga.jpg]
     
    The2ndQuest , Jan 25, 2008
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  15. tom

    tom Chosen One star 8

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    that game is too hard. with galaga i can get to like level thirty and feel awesome about myself.
     
    tom, Jan 25, 2008
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  16. Darth_Omega

    Darth_Omega Force Ghost star 6

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    :p
     
    Darth_Omega, Jan 25, 2008
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  17. Valyn

    Valyn Jedi Master star 8

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    I'm actually quite fond of agreeing with Boba. I find that he gives treats.
     
    Valyn, Jan 25, 2008
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  18. Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon

    Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon Jedi Knight star 6

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    I play Galaga wherever I see it. Just a quarter at a time, then I've had my fix. But I've been known to walk away in the middle of conversations if I see a Galaga machine.
     
    Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon, Jan 25, 2008
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  19. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    You can then play Wand of Gamelon instead of any other or upcoming Zelda title ;)
     
    The2ndQuest , Jan 25, 2008
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  20. Valyn

    Valyn Jedi Master star 8

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    So long as I get Boba treats
     
    Valyn, Jan 25, 2008
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  21. Boba_Fett_2001

    Boba_Fett_2001 Chosen One star 8

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    Treats are in effect.
     
    Boba_Fett_2001 , Jan 25, 2008
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  22. Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon

    Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon Jedi Knight star 6

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    No, it was quite correctly aimed at the person who cried elitist at someone for noting a real media preference for whatever's more recent while ignoring someone else who actually did express a disdain for modern gaming.
     
    Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon, Jan 25, 2008
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  23. Darth_Omega

    Darth_Omega Force Ghost star 6

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    I thought we restored the status quo? :(
     
    Darth_Omega, Jan 26, 2008
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  24. Leto II

    Leto II Jedi Padawan star 6

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    Oh, you could play Galaga with chalk on the sidewalk, and it would still be fun. Words cannot describe the joy I feel when I come upon a sit-down Galaga machine in a bar. The quarters levitate from my pocket on their own.

    I love Galaga, but it ain't got nothing on Berserk.

    You run through a maze. You touch the walls, you die. Robot shoot you, you die. Big smiley face touch you, you die. And when you die, the last thing you hear as you pass on are robotic voices, mocking you.

    Whenever I see some emo-nihilist MySpace page, I think, "They got nothing on Berserk." The robots WILL kill us. Believe it.
     
    Leto II, Jan 26, 2008
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  25. Valyn

    Valyn Jedi Master star 8

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    [image=http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs24/f/2008/021/f/6/Sheik_Motivational_by_Sheikah_ness.jpg]
     
    Valyn, Jan 31, 2008
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