Zito signs record deal with Giants

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  1. GRAND_MOFF_KEVIN Jedi Master

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    Barry Zito has agreed in principle to a deal to jump across the Bay and join the San Francisco Giants after starring for six years with the rival Oakland A's, SI.com has learned.

    Zito's big deal with the Giants is for $126 million over seven years.

    The contract -- the largest ever for a pitcher -- also includes an option for an eighth year for $18 million (with a $7 million buyout) that could increase the total value to $137 million. The option will vest if Zito throws 200 innings in the final year of the deal, 400 innings over the last two years or 600 innings over the last three.

    Zito picked the Giants over the Rangers, Mariners, Mets and Yankees, who were still trying to unload Randy Johnson before considering a real run at Zito.

    MLB.com first reported Thursday morning that the Rangers expected Zito to sign with the Giants. The Rangers had put a deadline of this coming weekend on the star left-handed pitcher.

    Zito's Giants deal will be finalized after he undergoes a physical.

    Zito, who is 102-63 lifetime and won the 2002 AL Cy Young award, recently told the San Francisco Chronicle that he wanted to get market value, and he accomplished that and also got to stay at home by staying in the Bay Area. Zito has lived in San Francisco while playing for the A's, who made no effort to re-sign their former ace.

    The original asking price for Zito was believed to be seven years for $119 million, so the pitcher actually beat his goal by getting $126 million (and beat Mike Hampton's record contract for a pitcher).

    Zito, 28, gives the cross-Bay Giants a new No. 1 pitcher after they lost Jason Schmidt to the rival Dodgers. The Giants made a mild attempt to retain Schmidt, who's had shoulder troubles in the past. One of the advantages to Zito is that he's never been hurt and has never spent time on the disabled list.

    "It's a huge piece of the puzzle as far as solidifying our rotation," fellow Giants lefty starter Noah Lowry told The Associated Press. "We have a couple of No. 1-caliber pitchers. I'm obviously going to be able to learn from him. I think the seasons as long as they are and as grueling as they can be, he hasn't missed a start. That says a lot about the guy and his durability."

    Zito was also believed to be hoping to pitch in a major metropolitan area, and he accomplished that goal simply by staying home.

    The Yankees were eyeing a run at Zito in recent days while trying to trade Johnson to a team out West. However, they have been unable to find a deal with the Diamondbacks, Padres or anyone else so far and were not about to reach the $126 million level for Zito anyway.

    The Mets offered a five-year deal for between $75 million and $80 million and hoped to convince Zito that he could make up the difference by landing endorsements in New York. The Mets will now try to land a top-of-the-rotation starter through trade. They've talked to the A's about one of their starters -- notably Rich Harden, Danny Haren and Joe Blanton -- and the White Sox about Jon Garland and Javier Vazquez. However, the Mets have thus far been unwilling to trade their top prospect, pitcher Mike Pelfrey.

    "We were not willing to go to the seven-year areas he said he had," said Mets general manager Omar Minaya, who conducted studies on the performances of pitchers with lengthy deals, told The Associated Press. "This is one guy who has been healthy, and we all wish him well. At the end of the day, the history ... I could not recommend to my ownership to go to seven guarantee years

    The Rangers' offer to Zito was $84 million over six seasons with a vesting for a seventh season at $15 million.

    The Yankees are believed still interested in trading Johnson. The Diamondbacks are probably the most likely landing spot since Johnson lives there and has a full no-trade clause. The Yankees have great interest in bringing back Roger Clemens when he decides to return.

    The Mariners already acquired two starters this winter in Miguel Batista and Horacio Ramirez and were probably not as motivated as the Giants, who had the
  2. DarthIntegral May 16 Tiemaster

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    I predict buyer's remorse will see its first symptoms right around the All-Star Break, and then full effects being shown in about two years. Too much money, too many years. Bad move, Giants.
  3. Rogue...Jedi Administrator Emeritus

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    Does it help the team on the field? sure. Is he worth anywhere near that much? nope. Yet another ridiculous contract.

    Although I will say I'm glad he didn't go to the Mets and the NL East :p
  4. PRENNTACULAR VIP

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    Bad longterm deal, yes. Good short term deal.
  5. MasterP Jedi Master

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    That is just crazy. No one should get paid that much.
  6. PRENNTACULAR VIP

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    Yea...I wish the Giants hadn't spent this much on him. But we did need an Ace, and Zito is good. The money could have been better spent (perhaps) to fill up some of the other gaps on our team...but we did get a great player out of it.
  7. JOHNNY-B Jedi Youngling

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    I definitly agree with that. Don't get me wrong, Zito is a good pitcher, but he is not an elite pitcher. To be honest: Zito's #'s have not been that eye boggling over these past 2 years. But he should thrive in a pitchers friendly park, and should put up solid #'s (coming to the National league should also help). ("IMO") I don't think he was worth all that money... I can only think of maybe 3 pitchers off hand that you can maybe make a case about being worth that kind of money -- Zito is definitly not one of them. Over-all: the Giants get a proving ace with one of the most devastating curve balls in baseball: who'll put up at least 15 wins with sub-par ERA, and a pretty good whip...and give his team a chance to win most of the time when he takes the mound. He also eats up a lot of innings...so it'll also give there bullpen a break. I think the Giants made a good move -- just payed him way more than what he was worth.
  8. Obese_1_Ka-Blooey Jedi Padawan

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    It really depends on what he does next season. The Giants really need an inning-eater, and they'll definitely get one in Zito. Since they've lost Schmidt and Cain is not experienced enough, Barry offers a proven arm, and is quite young compared to the rest of the team. But just watch as he breaks his arm in April... :p
  9. Arminca Jedi Youngling

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    What good is it to get just one man?

    I mean the Giants need to improve in other areas. Last season I got to watch them play in their own park and it was just too superficial and a lot of hype.

    Players should get bonuses and prove to the team that they are worth it. If they play certain number of games or out perform themselves then get $$$ by bonuses.

    Why pay for any player who's gonna be out for half the season? There have been enough players out there who we've seen this happen to.

    The Red Sox deal with JD Drew is super ridiculous more than Barry's. Barry is healthy as opposed to Drew. Yeah, it's the teams $$$ but the money also comes out of the fans pockets thru food, parking, tickets, etc....

    It's important to have consistency, health, heart for the game, veteran leadership, and rookie passion to have a great team. Isn't all about going to the playoffs and eventually being the World Series Champions!

    Many players don't care about the game only about their pockets! Then why do some accept contracts with teams that keeps on losing? It's not about the fans or the team! Just give me my $$$. As the saying goes, "Money talks and bull**** walks".


    You gotta edit it all out, not just part.
  10. yankee8255 Jedi Grand Master

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    Pretty amazing. 5 years ago, Zito Hudson and Mulder were studs. Now they's all good, but not great. Who would have thought none of the three would be consistently dominent.

    Or wouldn't have ended up with the Yankees.
  11. DarthIntegral May 16 Tiemaster

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    lol

    That probably is the most surprising part ... that none of them are Yankees
  12. Rogue...Jedi Administrator Emeritus

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    Not all that surprising that they're all spread out now, though.

    But yeah, definitely surprising that none are with the Yankees. Or at least the Mets.
  13. Baron-Soontir-Fel Jedi Knight

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    Well, it hasn't been all that great for the Big Three, as Mulder has really struggled since leaving Oakland and Hudson has had some bad luck as well (he had one of the best winning percentages while with Oakland). I'm Zito will do fine in one of the NL's most pitcher-friendly parks.
  14. Rogue...Jedi Administrator Emeritus

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    I think Zito will do fine, though not up to that kind of money, especially not by the end of that deal.

    Then again, I also think (or at least hope) that Hudson starts to pitch like he did in Oakland.
  15. Jedi_Master_Ron Jedi Padawan

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    Our pitching staff is looking great now, and unlike Schmidt, Zito missed only 4 starts or so last year. With Cain, Lowry, Lincecum (who's supposedly very good), Morris, and Zito, all we need now is to get rid of Benitez. I like this deal a lot.
  16. chiss_man Jedi Master

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    I'm just glad he's somewhere that wouldn't cause much of a problem for the rest of the NL. If he had gone to the Mets, then there'd be trouble. Giants? Not so much.
  17. WhiteWolf Jedi Youngling

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    Hmm, there doesn't seem to be a very large percentage of Mets fans around here.

    Well... Ta Da! Here I am, and not a moment too soon (that means I'm late to the discussion).

    The biggest deal in the history of baseball (for a pticher) goes to, um Barry Zito? Really? Okay, fine. I'm just glad the Mets were not the ones to do it. A Great pitcher three or four years ago who is clearly mediocre to say the least and slightly above average to say the best does not ever deserve this much money. But in a free agent class starved for a pitching, a GM willing to spend, and a pitcher who's agent happens to also be the Devil, and you've got a recipe for history, albeit ridiculous history.

    Once again, I'm glad the Mets didn't make the biggest deal in history for Barry Zito. I'm not happy about our pitching staff as it is right now to start the year, but at least there are trade options still available that might not have been if they had made the deal instead of the Giants. And more power to them. Now they can watch twice the amount of home runs fly out of that park with Benitez and Zito, a world-famous fly baller who loves giving up dingers in small parks.
  18. Baron-Soontir-Fel Jedi Knight

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    Hey, there's a thread for us Met fans. :p

    I'm happy the Mets didn't bite either, as it will help them down the road (perhaps enough financial flexibility to snag Dontrelle?).
  19. JOHNNY-B Jedi Youngling

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    "(perhaps enough financial flexibility to snag Dontrelle?)."



    I can't see the Marlins trading Willis to the Mets...no way!


  20. ApolloSmileGirl Jedi Knight

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    It won't matter what the Marlins think when Dontrelle reaches free agency.
  21. DarthIntegral May 16 Tiemaster

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    when have the Marlins ever not traded away a star before he hit free agency? and when have they ever been picky about not trading to a division rival?
  22. ApolloSmileGirl Jedi Knight

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    The organization is a bit stingy, aren't they? :p I can't believe that a team that has won a World Series, so recently, doesn't have a better home market when it comes to fans.
  23. JOHNNY-B Jedi Youngling

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    A lot of that is due to financial stability and the Marlins pay roll (also there inability to build a new stadium). One of the reason we lost quite a few stars. The biggest one being Carlos Delgado last year to the Mets. Something as a fan: I've not been very proud of over the years. We have the ability to be an elite team, but it all comes down to the money, and it's something there always going to struggle with until they get there own stadium. Honestly though: I really believe the Marlins will do everything to keep him around. I hope anyways... Are staff is a lot stronger with him in it -- makes no sense for the Marlins to just shop him. We need him if we're going to try and make another serious push for another title. So will just have to see what happens in 2007





    "doesn't have a better home market when it comes to fans."


    It's hard when in 97 they completely dismantled are team, and they always get rid of are stars. It's kind hard to care when things like that happen often.
  24. RealMadrid Jedi Youngling

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    Hey, this thread is about Zito and the Giants, not free agent speculation.

    Zito hasn't missed a start ever, I don't believe. Over his 6 complete seasons (2001-2006), he has started more games than anyone else in the majors. To have that durable a pitcher at the start of your rotation is something special. He takes the ball every 5 days and takes the hill to give his team the chance to win. He has a 102-63(.618 career winning percentage) record, with a 3.55 ERA, a 1.25 WHIP. As a Giants fan, I'll take that. I also was comparing his wins over his complete seasons, and only Oswalt, Schilling, and Randy Johnson have more wins since 2001 I think, I may be wrong as I couldn't get MLB.com's stupid search function to work right. Anyway, I like the signing. Did Magowan pay too much, probably, but time will tell. At the very least, our superstar player will be named Barry for the next several years.
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