JCC Embrace The FU - Formerly the STAR WARS IS BAD thread

lol. It's okay for me. They've harassed me about this since I came here.

 

well you brought it up and specifically asked for criticisms so.

 

The speeder chace scene wasn't fun... it was painful. Badly acted bickering Jedi in stacked LA.

 

Our of genuine curiosity, what changed your mind?

Yes, I expected it. I wanted to know, really. I'm not offended or put off in any way.

 

I sat down with some friends to watch the whole saga in 2007. I remember telling them after TPM "the next ones are going to be good though!", but they didn't even have to say anything. I was shriveling up from embarrasment the whole time. These are not movies you want to show your friends.
Imagine my exhilaration when we got to the OT. Suddenly it was cool.

 

JoinTheSchwarz

 

That does make sense.



Dammit, I can already feel myself turning. Ya'll are going to make me a prequel-hater before I know it, lol.

 

You'll definitely have a nice echo chamber to express that opinion in.

 

Yes, it's called the world

 

Alright alright rub it in...

 

Weirdly I think this is actually the whole of the matter. Everything most folks think of as wrong with the PT is in the OT, it's just a lot harder to unearth because there's a lot more energy and competent editing. The bad dialogue and somewhat half-baked characters are there, folks, Han Solo only cares about the money. Money is what he's in it for. He expects to be paid. Money is all that he wants so it's what he'll get. We don't notice because we're too busy getting swept up in competent (at the time revolutionary) pacing and the kind of difficult to explain but clearly present youthful exuberance that's impossible to replicate. Then you get Empire where a director far more competent at handling actors gets to temper the product a bit into something more generally palatable (Hence the oft-repeated claim that it's the best of the bunch, which I've come around to agree with albeit very cynically because "this thing I, personally, enjoy is bad" is where I operate these days), and then, tellingly, you get Jedi which is maybe best described as a film that attempts to succeed in spite of itself and still fails in key ways. Is it any wonder, then, that the PT collapses under its own weight? That TFA is best loved by those searching, consciously or otherwise, for Star Wars II: But With Writing? That Rogue One plummeted out of "the discourse"? No. Star Wars has always been bad; Star Wars was worm-eaten from birth (to steal a phrase). Thus one's enjoyment of the PT is entirely contingent on understanding Lucas' art - his bad, festering art, in all its putrescent undisguised glory. The grotesque lack of ability that was always there, festering, of the body not unlike a cancer. Some other equally provocative and italicized statement.

tl;dr - NOTHING WAS EVER GOOD.

 

i love you. by which i mean i hate everything but you.

 

You know what.


You're absolutely right.

 

The next stage, Ramza, is where you realize that a "good" movie is also a subjective quantity. A movie needs to do what it sets out to do. That's all. Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back surpassed that. The rest of the bunch just ticked the boxes.

This was never going to be high-brow. The OT knows it's pulp. The PT forgot.

 

....no, I think the PT knows how pulpy and weird it is.

 

No, true enlightenment comes from realizing that everything you think is good is actually bad, you merely like it.

 

I think Star Wars is something that needed to end a long time ago. It really do think it's being overdone, especially now.

It's being overused and I think we all feel that to some degree.

 

I certainly use that point-of-view toward many of my culinary & vice choices.

 

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which is why you joined this site?

 

When I joined, I was more into SW than I am now.

Sometimes I think the only reason I stay here is because of the people.

Not you people.

Other people.



Honestly, I'm hardly an SW fan anymore...

 

It was inevitable once you began posting in this thread. When you gaze too long into the garbage ouroboros the garbage ouroboros also gazes into you.

 

I'm a huge Star Wars nerd, and proud of it.
I don't think it's any good, though

 

i'm glad we're getting more star wars and that it's popular again. even if the movies are bad the waiting in line is always a good time and the endless circular debates afterward are of course amazing.