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Bylar 
Registered: Aug '06
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Date Posted: 8/23/07 4:31pm Subject: RE: SEND THIS LINK TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW - Date Edited: 8/23/07 4:42pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Bylar
Having read everything you have posted I take it that you also haven't got a clue as to how much energy the "radiowave device" is sucking up in order to heat the salt to a high enough temperature to separate and burn the hydrogen and oxygen. I have often heard it said that given enough thrust(energy) even a brick can be made to fly, yet I have never seen a plane built of bricks because it is not PRACTICAL.You also haven't explained how to flush out the salt/mineral residue from the engine cylinders so that they don't clog up. Details, Bylar, details are what will determine the PRACTICALITY of this invention.[/b][/quote]

Jack,
this is a work in progress, and as such the details are worked out as they are needed to be. the salt will be blown out the exhaust valves and into the exhaust manifold then to the exhaust pipe and there could either be a catch "box" of some sort or a filter mechinism. the amount of high frequency radio waves needed to ingnite the salt water can be calculated, if you were paying attention to the clip, perhaps you should re-watch it and see if you can tell for yourself. practicality is in the eyes of the beholder my friend, and you are sure there is none here so why even continue with the negativity? its always been people with the negative attitudes that try to prevent progress for some reason. you can join Mike and "nay say" all you want, that will not stop progress...you might want to dump all the oil stock now b4 its worthless lol

John,
that magnetic motor is awesome indeed. my son and i made a crude version of that motor for his 6th grade science fair. we used a wheel off of my wheelchair and i got some of those really strong magnets (berillium ferite i think it was) and at one point we had it spinning for about 30 mins till the neighbor kid messed with it and we never get it to work properly again. my son did get 3rd place at his school, and 2nd place at the regional science fair at the TCC. he got a trophy and a $40 check. the kids nicknamed the thing "frankinwheel" lol

 

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padumavati 
Registered: May '07
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Date Posted: 8/24/07 6:59am Subject: RE: SEND THIS LINK TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW
But seriously, it's not that I don't think this guy shouldn't continue research, it's that that thing looks like it's at actual negative efficiency right now. I mean, he's putting who knows how much power into the radiowave generator in order to heat the salt water. It seems unlikely that there could be a practical application with regard to a motor. I'm guessing the tiny one they show in the clip has huge amounts of heat loss, sort of like a light bulb, before it even starts turning. Just because something burns doesn't mean it'll power a motor (or an efficient one, anyways). In combustion engines heat is a byproduct, it's the rapid expansion of gas as it ignites that causes physical movement.
I'm all for alternative energies, but I'm not seeing practical applications for this. I mean, on any level if you put in enough energy, you can rip atoms apart from one another; but are you getting enough out to justify what you put in? Someone's already found a way to do that on the sub-atomic particle level, and it powers both our nuclear plants and our warheads.

 

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thatsMISTERwookiee 
Registered: Nov '05
Date Posted: 8/24/07 9:59am Subject: RE: SEND THIS LINK TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW - Date Edited: 8/24/07 10:03am (1 edits total) Edited By: thatsMISTERwookiee
padumavati posted:
But seriously, it's not that I don't think this guy shouldn't continue research, it's that that thing looks like it's at actual negative efficiency right now. I mean, he's putting who knows how much power into the radiowave generator in order to heat the salt water.
Gee, isn't this the same question I had about the device? Be careful, or you too will be accused of being a shill for the oil companies. laugh Being able to calculate the number and/or frequency of the radiowaves is nice, but it STILL DOES NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION OF HOW MUCH ENERGY IT TAKES TO PRODUCE THOSE RADIOWAVES.(at least not for us non-science types)
It seems unlikely that there could be a practical application with regard to a motor. I'm guessing the tiny one they show in the clip has huge amounts of heat loss, sort of like a light bulb, before it even starts turning. Just because something burns doesn't mean it'll power a motor (or an efficient one, anyways). In combustion engines heat is a byproduct, it's the rapid expansion of gas as it ignites that causes physical movement.
I'm all for alternative energies, but I'm not seeing practical applications for this. I mean, on any level if you put in enough energy, you can rip atoms apart from one another; but are you getting enough out to justify what you put in? Someone's already found a way to do that on the sub-atomic particle level, and it powers both our nuclear plants and our warheads.

I also have never claimed that research should stop. I have only said I want more information before I rush out and start converting my truck's engine. I do not believe it makes one a naysayer simply because one does not blindly follow every fad that ends up on youtube.
I wish the guy success, WE DO NEED ALTERNATIVE FUEL SOLUTIONS, but, as at the carnival, I'm not going to go rushing willy-nilly in the direction of the arrow that points "THIS WAY TO THE GIANT EGRESS".

 

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Bylar 
Registered: Aug '06
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Date Posted: 8/24/07 4:36pm Subject: RE: SEND THIS LINK TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW
k heres the deal, when u have anything combust it produces gasses that expand rapidly so the saltwater would act as the gas would in the cylinder. the small motor they have in the clip is just for demonstration, and if thats all your focusing on then you might as well root for the milk engine lol

i am not accusing you, Jack of being anything but negative thats all. you are acting like i asked you for 10k to put into this invention, and i have not, nor have i asked you to "convert" your truck engine, or even suggested that you should. i said i would try some stuff with MY engine not yours. that car needs a water pump and i was gonna have it hauled off anyway so why not mess with it a bit to see what happens. the wattage needed can be calulated as i said before, for those of you scientifically challanged, its roughly around a megawatt but 3000 watt kickers can beefed up and daisychained to produce it. there are a few high power radio setups that can be adapted to a car that the tv stations use on thier mobile telecast vans but those would be a bit pricey, thats why i have been lookin into what it would take to replace the finals in a 3k kicker to make it a 27k one. all of this can be powered by the electrical system in a car with a few modifications such as an extra car battery and isolinier seperator.

when i lived in los angeles, me and a few buddies made a megawatt broadcasting setup and used a home made quad element beam antena with a 100 ft tripod sectional tower. we used to drive the fcc crazy when we fired that thing up lol. we would take it in our 4wheelers and
head to a very inaccessable spot up in the mountains and once we started broadcasting we knew we had about 20 mins b4 the helicopters started to triangulate our position lol

 

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padumavati 
Registered: May '07
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Date Posted: 8/24/07 9:00pm Subject: RE: SEND THIS LINK TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW
Bylar posted:
k heres the deal, when u have anything combust it produces gasses that expand rapidly so the saltwater would act as the gas would in the cylinder.

Uh, no, it wouldn't. At least, not in the way that gasoline does. If that flame is really as host as they think it is, that flame is burning the hydrogen and oxygen it's freed. So the hydrogen is rapidly expanding because it's burning.

Bylar posted:
the wattage needed can be calulated as i said before, for those of you scientifically challanged, its roughly around a megawatt but 3000 watt kickers can beefed up and daisychained to produce it.

A MW? Jesus. For how long and at what voltage? At 480V 3-phase that's 1,200 A. Single phase it's over 2,000 A. You'd need over 1000 MCM cable for that! That stuff is thick, and heavy, and not much fun to bend as I've heard many a lineman attest. If you're going to be bumpin' that kind of amps, you might as well just be using them to power a motor instead of a radiowave generator that makes saltwater burn.

Bylar posted:
there are a few high power radio setups that can be adapted to a car that the tv stations use on thier mobile telecast vans but those would be a bit pricey, thats why i have been lookin into what it would take to replace the finals in a 3k kicker to make it a 27k one. all of this can be powered by the electrical system in a car with a few modifications such as an extra car battery and isolinier seperator.

And a flux capacitor... tongue

 

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Bylar 
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Date Posted: 8/25/07 3:23am Subject: RE: SEND THIS LINK TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW - Date Edited: 8/25/07 3:35am (1 edits total) Edited By: Bylar
padumavati posted:
Bylar posted:
k heres the deal, when u have anything combust it produces gasses that expand rapidly so the saltwater would act as the gas would in the cylinder.

Uh, no, it wouldn't. At least, not in the way that gasoline does. If that flame is really as host as they think it is, that flame is burning the hydrogen and oxygen it's freed. So the hydrogen is rapidly expanding because it's burning.

Bylar posted:
the wattage needed can be calulated as i said before, for those of you scientifically challanged, its roughly around a megawatt but 3000 watt kickers can beefed up and daisychained to produce it.

A MW? Jesus. For how long and at what voltage? At 480V 3-phase that's 1,200 A. Single phase it's over 2,000 A. You'd need over 1000 MCM cable for that! That stuff is thick, and heavy, and not much fun to bend as I've heard many a lineman attest. If you're going to be bumpin' that kind of amps, you might as well just be using them to power a motor instead of a radiowave generator that makes saltwater burn.

Bylar posted:
there are a few high power radio setups that can be adapted to a car that the tv stations use on thier mobile telecast vans but those would be a bit pricey, thats why i have been lookin into what it would take to replace the finals in a 3k kicker to make it a 27k one. all of this can be powered by the electrical system in a car with a few modifications such as an extra car battery and isolinier seperator.

And a flux capacitor... tongue


what u left out is i already made a similar setup for broadcasting CB and no flux capacitor was needed. you would not need that large of cable, as we didnt when were broadcasting with it (we used 1.5 inch braided copper to the antenae). we broadcast for 5 mins at a time with that rig and not once did we melt anything. we did fry the finals a couple times but thats expected with such power when using a home made beam antenae.....standing wave and all that

this statement you made "Uh, no, it wouldn't. At least, not in the way that gasoline does. If that flame is really as host as they think it is, that flame is burning the hydrogen and oxygen it's freed. So the hydrogen is rapidly expanding because it's burning."

in priciple it indeed acts like the gasoline, from what i gather, the gasses are seperated and ingnited almost simutainiously. regardless of what is burning, gasoline/oxygen or hydrogen/oxygen, its the act of burning the gasses that release the energy that pushes the piston....guess what the internal temp of the cylinder is after the gasoline is ignited...thats why there is a cooling system on internal combustion engines.

far more interesting and plausable is the magnetic motor that John posted about here is the link to one of these video clips:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooa8EBXKDW4

 

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