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Spike2002
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Should the Bill allowing the creation of hybrid human-animal embryos be legislated?
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Question: Should the bill allowing the creation of hybrid human-animal embryos be legislated?
BBC News posted: The government faces mounting dissent over controversial embryo laws after the Archbishop of Cardiff joined calls for a free vote on the legislation.
The Most Reverend Peter Smith has advised MPs to vote against a bill which allows the creation of hybrid human-animal embryos for research.
He joins other leading Catholics and Catholic MPs demanding to be allowed to vote in line with their conscience.
But Health Minister Ben Bradshaw said it was right to push through the law.
Mr Bradshaw told the BBC the legislation would be "to the potential benefit of many people in this country".
'Sacredness of life'
But the archbishop said many MPs had a "moral dilemma" over the bill.
He said he had written to the prime minister asking for Labour MPs to be released from the three-line whip that would force them to vote for the legislation - ministers who did not support a whipped vote would be expected to resign.
The archbishop told BBC Radio 4: "Those MPs who have approached me over recent weeks have said: 'Look, I don't think this is right. I accept the teachings of the Church, yet I am a Government minister, or I am a Labour MP. Can I discuss with you the moral dilemma I have got?'.
"This is a matter which is clearly affecting many MPs.
"I have written to the prime minister myself asking him that, in view of these very important issues which touch on the sacredness of human life, its meaning and purpose, would he please grant a free vote, because that is what is really required."
Welsh Secretary Paul Murphy is reportedly one of those prepared to quit the Cabinet rather than vote for the bill. Other Catholics in the Cabinet are Transport Secretary Ruth Kelly and Defence Secretary Des Browne.
The bill has also been condemned by other leading Catholics.
Catholic Labour MP Joe Benton and Scottish Catholic leader Cardinal Keith O'Brien are among those who have called for MPs to have a free vote.
In a sermon to be delivered on Easter Sunday, Cardinal Keith O'Brien described the plans as "monstrous".
He warned Mr Brown against imposing a three-line whip on Labour MPs - which orders them to vote with the party line.
Another Catholic MP, Stephen Pound, has said he will not be voting for the measure.
He said: "We seem to be moving into a sphere where we are actually taking on the role of the creation of life."
'Terrible diseases'
Responding to Cardinal O'Brien's criticism, Mr Bradshaw told BBC Radio 4's Any Questions: "If it was about the things the cardinal referred to, creating babies for spare parts or raiding dead people's tissue, then there would be justification for a free vote.
"But it's not about those things. He was wrong in fact, and I think rather intemperate and emotive in the way that he criticised this legislation.
"This is about using pre-embryonic cells to do research that has the potential to ease the suffering of millions of people in this country. The government has taken a view that this is a good thing."
Liberal Democrat Evan Harris, a member of the Commons Innovation, Universities, Science and Skills Select Committee, said he felt ethically obliged to allow scientists to carry out the research.
'God-given powers'
"From a religious point of view, it seems right that we should use God-given powers of science to create short-term entities that are microscopic that might be a way of showing us how to develop stem cells from embryos that might be used to treat people with terrible diseases," he said.
Downing Street said a decision on a free vote would be taken "in due course".
Both the Conservative and Liberal Democrat leaders plan to allow their MPs to have a free vote on the more controversial aspects of the bill.
The Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill is designed to bring the 1990 regulatory framework for fertility treatment and embryo research in line with scientific advances.
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Date Posted:
3/22 11:13am
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Yes because no religious reason should ever be given credence.
Yes because it will help with medical research.
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3/22 1:35pm
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Restricting science so a few members of the clergy don't throw fits is stupid. This bill should be passed, and the clergy should be told to shut up and stop interfering in politics.
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LAJ_FETT
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3/22 1:45pm
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I have to go along with 'Yes' for scientific reasons. I also think that Labour ministers should get a free vote on the issue.
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LAJ_FETT posted: I also think that Labour ministers should get a free vote on the issue.
I personally feel that MP's should get a free vote on any issue especially when MP's are voted into power based on "promises2 made during an election which is then reneged on due to the party whip (see EU constitution farce)
Otherwise this should go ahead and the church can go to hell with it's opinion.
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LAJ_FETT
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3/22 2:28pm
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I've got to go along with that. I hope that EU referendum farce that Brown pulled comes back to bite Labour in a big way both in May and at the next general election (whenever that is).
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I'm gonna vote no on...........
RELIGIOUS REASONS
seriously though
ok some discovery maybe benificiel and a cure to some genetic disorders
but what stops a scientist or company secretly messing around with nature ,
developing new things that can be used as bilogical weapons ?
mutans and that or mess around with genetics and create a slave mutant
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm you can make hordes of them and then invade France
then world ...................YES !
command and conquer and Lord of the rings all over again
No seriously i should stop now.
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SithLordDarthRichie
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3/23 7:00am
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This is not about cloning whole humans, this is about growing stem cells to help those with debilitating conditions.
Christopher Reeves was a strong supporter of stem cell research.
It also comes down to one's opinion of sentient life. Is an embryo of a few cells and really not at the stage where it is recognisable as a human really a human?
No-one makes a huge fuss over animal embryos.
I vote yes as it will advance science. Human cloning is still not allowed and I doubt the bill will make that likely
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I don't mind if it is used to cure illness
but my point is what stop certain people in secracy deveoloping unnessarly and harmful items that could be used for warfare.
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But they could do that currently anyway in secret.
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