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Dar_manda
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Dec '07
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Date Posted:
4/11 5:28am
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RE: Immigration
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Spike2002 posted:
How am I supposed to eat curry if they get rid of all the immigrants?
I'll cook for you Spikey! 
I don't have a problem with legitimate asylum seekers and such, what I have a problem with are cases like one we had in Plymouth a couple of years ago.
An Iraqi gentleman with a degree in languages was expelled from the UK because his visa expired. He was the only Iraqi translator for the Devon and Cornwall Police. He was forceably deported, despite doing an important job. There was, at a similar time to his case, a gang war on Plymouth Hoe involving two large gangs of illegal immigrants.
How much did it cost the NHS and Police services to intervene in this? Probably more than it would have cost to renew to guy's visa. He has a British wife and I think he had a spawn on the way too.
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SithLordDarthRichie
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Oct '03
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4/11 6:19am
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RE: Immigration
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Many technicalities that need sorting certainly.
I'm all in favour of teenagers doing NVQ type qualifications. Big problem is, because of the lack of proper and at least ingaging career days or interviews, they're stuck doing plumbing or building NVQs. While there is nothing wrong with that, we could do with far more Doctors, Police Officers etc then a massive supply of plumbers and builders or hairdressers.
It's good to have skills, but teenagers are almost always going to try for a qualification that takes the least amount of time. And there are very few schemes in place to attract them to bigger better jobs.
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Hananiah
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Jan '03
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4/11 6:19am
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RE: Immigration
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I agree that the only reason many british people fail to get jobs is because the immigrants have a better work ethic, willing to do jobs other people won't. It is also important to remember that some immigrants are only here for a time, only needing to save enough money for their familes and then return home.
It is also true to say that many illegal immigrants aren't even aware of where they will land. They pay people to take them out of their own country often with no knowledge of where they will end up.
The world is heading towards globalisation and I think that multiculturalism is something that will be good for this country
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Darth_Asabrush
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4/11 9:45am
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RE: Immigration
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SithLordDarthRichie posted:
Many technicalities that need sorting certainly.
I'm all in favour of teenagers doing NVQ type qualifications. Big problem is, because of the lack of proper and at least ingaging career days or interviews, they're stuck doing plumbing or building NVQs. While there is nothing wrong with that, we could do with far more Doctors, Police Officers etc then a massive supply of plumbers and builders or hairdressers.
It's good to have skills, but teenagers are almost always going to try for a qualification that takes the least amount of time. And there are very few schemes in place to attract them to bigger better jobs.
the 14 - 19 aganda is opening up the vocational based qualifications into wider areas but this does take time and money as well as the support of external "educational" sectors such as business and the public sector. The NVQ Public Service award is based around pupils who think they will go on to join the Police or Army and such like.
As for suggesting that teenagers will always go for the qualifications that take the least amount of time is way way off the mark. From my experience of the kids who take these courses, most take the long term view and see the potential opportunites before the more "academic" pupils who remain on the traditional route of education.
Yes, there needs to be more variety and places available to learners - this is happening and you will see a lot about this in the coming year or so.
For all its faults and bad press the English (I can only speak for where I teach) educational system is still one of the strongest in the developed world.
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Dar_manda
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Date Posted:
4/11 12:24pm
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I'll second that Darth_Asabrush. Although I could have had more support from my teachers at school, I'm glad I had what little I got.
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Cobranaconda
Title: Ex-FF-UK: South CR
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Mar '04
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Date Posted:
4/12 12:02pm
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RE: Immigration
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We do have a good education system... up until Sixth Form. From my experience, once you get into 6th form and the school gets its money for taking you in, they forget about you.
Dunno about the 6th Form Colleges, they probably actually try and teach people there, mainly because they don't have Secondary school students too. But in the schools that double up as 6th forms, well, you're better off not trying.
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SithLordDarthRichie
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4/12 4:35pm
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I actually learned a lot more in Sixth Form simply because I was surrounded at that point by people who had stayed on in order to learn. Previous years classes were disrupted by the brainless chav students who didn't feel like learning, as a result no-one else did either.
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Cobranaconda
Title: Ex-FF-UK: South CR
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Date Posted:
4/12 4:44pm
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When I was in Year 12, the majority of people in the Sixth Form wanted to learn, we just weren't taught. When I was in Year 13, they started letting the brainless chavs in, so some were taught, but couldn't concentrate, and some just carried on not being taught.
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Moylesy
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Jul '01
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Had to bump this again after watching that programme t'other night. Some sports company built a huge unit with goverment/european aid because it was an area of high employment and then shipped in foreign workers (despite the locals applying for the jobs) to make up 80% of the workforce. The Goverment, apparently, can not do anything about it.
They interviewed the local men who were obviously disgruntled in having been turned down in favour of cheaper(?) foreign workers.
Makes me sick.....
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elbertino
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whats wrong with that? we live in a global community, people want to pay the lowest wages possible to maximise profits.
otherwise, in the words of centre backs around the world.... "get rid!"
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DarthArsenal6
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6/5 3:52pm
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elbertino posted:
whats wrong with that? we live in a global community, people want to pay the lowest wages possible to maximise profits.
otherwise, in the words of centre backs around the world.... "get rid!"
elberto if you havent notice
Having a Job gives you:
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- having something to do and be proud of
- having a control and going ahead in life
If there are people here in the UK that can do the job then employ them
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Moylesy
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6/6 12:04am
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elbertino posted:
whats wrong with that? we live in a global community, people want to pay the lowest wages possible to maximise profits.
otherwise, in the words of centre backs around the world.... "get rid!"
The grants the company received to build thier new warehouse/distribution centre was from a regeneration fund. The sort of thing that is set up to help a community get back on it's feet. If you think that what happened is moral, then good for you, but I find it very unsavoury indeed. 
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Moylesy
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Date Posted:
6/17 3:08am
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Harking back to the education reform debate on the first page, I found this interesting;
Schools should be focussed on preparing our children, from each according to his or her abilities, to each according to their needs, to serve society and the nation. A society and nation that needs more electricians, plumbers, fitters, engineers, chippies and brickies, farmers and craftsmen, scientists and soldiers and doctors and nurses. And fewer accountants, lawyers, City wide boys, bureaucrats, corporate apparatchiks and holders of third-class degrees in “Media Studies” from the University of Luton.
Technical and craft education needs to be massively resourced. It was the neglect of this vital component by successive Labour and Tory Governments that wrecked the original 1944 educational vision.
Schools for future workers by hand need as much support, and prestige, as those for future workers by brain. Children should be sorted and guided over a period of several years toward the type of education which will best bring out their own unique talents, mental, physical, artistic or whatever and place them most effectively at the service of the nation.
The uniqueness of all of our children should be celebrated and harnessed to bring out in each of them their own separate, personal, and essential contribution to the family and unity of the Nation.
A contribution which they need to be taught to value and take pride in. All Britons, doctor and dustman, cyberneticist and carpenter, physicist and farm labourer, are needed, working together to build our nation’s future.
Makes sense to me. Now, which political party would you associate with that statement? 
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Cobranaconda
Title: Ex-FF-UK: South CR
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Date Posted:
6/17 10:11am
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BNP?
I don't want to serve the bloody nation.
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elbertino
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6/20 1:37am
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Moylesy posted:
Harking back to the education reform debate on the first page, I found this interesting;
Schools should be focussed on preparing our children, from each according to his or her abilities, to each according to their needs, to serve society and the nation. . A society and nation that needs more electricians, plumbers, fitters, engineers, chippies and brickies, farmers and craftsmen, scientists and soldiers and doctors and nurses. And fewer accountants, lawyers, City wide boys, bureaucrats, corporate apparatchiks and holders of third-class degrees in “Media Studies” from the University of Luton.
Technical and craft education needs to be massively resourced. It was the neglect of this vital component by successive Labour and Tory Governments that wrecked the original 1944 educational vision.
Schools for future workers by hand need as much support, and prestige, as those for future workers by brain. Children should be sorted and guided over a period of several years toward the type of education which will best bring out their own unique talents, mental, physical, artistic or whatever and place them most effectively at the service of the nation.
The uniqueness of all of our children should be celebrated and harnessed to bring out in each of them their own separate, personal, and essential contribution to the family and unity of the Nation.
A contribution which they need to be taught to value and take pride in. All Britons, doctor and dustman, cyberneticist and carpenter, physicist and farm labourer, are needed, working together to build our nation’s future.
Makes sense to me. Now, which political party would you associate with that statement?
you lost me here 
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