Discussion in 'Community' started by Darth Guy, Apr 3, 2012.
What, like Jon?
He's a Snow (well, maybe should be a Sand), not a Targ.
He's a Targ by blood, Sand by birth, Snow by a falsehood.
No, like a brand new character introduced in Book 5 of 7.
Jon or to a lesser extent Tyrion would be much more acceptable.
Do we not believe that Aegon isn't a real Targaryen? He has the violet eyes and everything. I would not like Tyrion as a Targaryen because the impact of the way he screws with the Lannisters would be lessened IMO. Besides, the Lannisters have already talked so much about their childhoods with Tyrion included in those stories, like him killing his mother at birth, and the Tysha story.
The theory behind Tyrion's being a Targaryen is that Lady Lannister would have had an affair (presumably with King Aerys II). Thus, all those memories would have been real. It's just that everyone, Tyrion included, would have been mistaken about who his father was all these years.
Personally, though, I think it would be dreadfully stupid. Every character that does something important in the story needn't be a member of the same family. Genetics shouldn't be able to trump factors like upbringing, outlook, and general life experience to determine characters actions or "destiny." Nor should every character given largely favorable treatment by the author have the same heritage. It would be a stupid, backwards, message, especially for something that tries to pretend it is an otherwise more realistic look at feudal society and the human experience.
I agree, I love the way things are playing out, including all the affiliations to the respective houses. Besides, the Starks need a say in the leadership of the future because they just deserve it after losing Ned, Robb, and Cat.
Aegon was introduced as the PWWP and the mummer's dragon in ACOK.
Violet eyes are not a Targaryen characteristic but a Valyrian one. I think the Bastard of Driftmark and that dodgy Admiral have them as well. And plenty of randoms throughout the Free Cities.
You know what I meant. It would be a lame switch if we have been following the story of Dany for 4 books as she struggles as the Targaryen heir and it turns out she could've just hung out with the fat dude from the start of the story for her entire time until her brother showed up to marry her.
Yeah, I don't see any point in making Tyrion not really a Lannister. It takes so much out of his relationship with his family, and the idea that to be important you have to be some kind of a secret Targaryen is ridiculous. Jon is enough.
And Aegon is definitely a fraud.
I'd hedge my bets and say "probably".
If he isn't, I'm not expecting him to survive to the end of the series.
Joanna was also a Lannister by blood (Tywin's cousin).
The prophecies in the books make it clear that Jon and Dany are supposed to be (literally, I guess?) dragon riders. The third wasn't revealed, but people think it's supposed to be another Targaryen or a full "Ice"/Stark." And there's also a prophecy calling Aegon false.
Technically the prophecy doesn't say Aegon is false, just that he's the dragon of a mummer, which fits Varys well.
Sure, but I think there's a good reason he wasn't called "the dragon of a eunuch" or something.
The theory of Aegon that I'm most fond of is that he's the son of Ashara Dayne and either Ned or Benjen Stark. The Dayne's had coloring like the Targaryens.
Basically, after Ned killed Arthur Dayne, she gave birth to Aegon. A rumor was arranged that she had a stillborn daughter, and then she faked her death by jumping into the sea. She adopted the identity of Septa Lemore (Sister Shadow?) to guide her son. He'd essentially be the exact opposite of Jon Snow, if Jon is indeed Lyanna's son: a bastard Stark in truth, raised to believe he's a Targaryen and the rightful king, as opposed to a Targaryen raised to believe he's a bastard Stark not meant to inherit anything.
You know what I mean!
I do understand the appeal of giving us three Targaryen dragon-riders, but I don't think it's worth springing that kind of revelation when we've already got Jon to reveal and Aegon floating around. This whole saga co
Ing down to everyone secretly having magic bloodlines would ... kind of suck. It would make more sense to have Bran as the third head of the dragon or something.
I dunno. I think Bran's destiny isn't intertwined with Dany and Jon in that way. He's going to be a greenseer, not a fighter or leader. And although it's not nearly as clear as Jon = union of Lyanna and Rhaegar, there are clues to Tyrion being a Targaryen. Of course, they're open to interpretation. He has an unexplained obsession with dragons, for example. Jon, Dany, and Tyrion all had mothers who died in childbirth, though that could be chalked up to coincidence. I don't think it would be much of a "revelation" if everything has been building up to it from day one.
Then again, I didn't think the Red Wedding was a huge surprise since it was obvious that Robb would die ever since DANY SAW HIM DEAD in the House of the Undying.
It's a giant flying reptile that breaths fire, and gave anyone who could control them virtual guaranteed political hegemony. I don't think you need special parentage to explain an interest in them. I mean, by that logic, is the prostitute that worked with Daenerys a secret Targaryen too?
Well, Bran has the ability to possess animals and a minor obsession with becoming a mounted knight, so he's got two angles to approach it from and the ability to see the dragons and their importance before they even show up in Westeros. Anyway, I was just throwing out names - I'd be perfectly happy with just about anybody riding the dragons.
I agree that there are some signs there for Tyrion - there wouldn't be the theory without them - but I still think the theory is kind of strained and, more importantly, thematically unsatisfying. It's just not a reveal that would interest me. It seems a little gimmicky to pull out more than two (one and a half?) secret Targaryens in the endgame.
I suppose, but people have been wondering about how convenient it was that Aegon's putative head was smashed for a while now. It's not exactly out of nowhere.
That said, there's no reason that he wouldn't be real but just simply fail. It'd be unfortunate, but it seems like GRRM.
Well, the Velaryons have them in general, not just Aurane Waters. Or is he the dodgy admiral to whom you were referring?
And it'd be the greatest red herring ever if we followed her this whole time, and she wasn't the one. That said, regardless of everything, she still has the dragons. Would being preëmpted by her nephew really ruin that?