Ridiculous. Sexual deviant? They're every man you've ever seen. There's no "look" for a behavior. You're projecting. To me, this is the most beautiful Anakin ever looked because he was truly happy for the last time in his life.
I don't know... I like to think Anakin was truly happy here: But that's beside the point...I agree with you about his smile.
@ Anakinfan Sorry to disappoint! @ Jedifirefly There are facial expressions that can give clues to what a person is thinking (not necessarily saying that Anakin was thinking sex-related thoughts its just that's how his face looks to me). "They're every man you've ever seen" Lolwut? @PiettsHat ^ To me that is the real Anakin Skywalker.
You aren't forced to choose, Charlie. They can both be the real Anakin Skywalker. Remember, "your focus determines your reality."
I don't know. The one from PT just seems like an a-hole. We never really got to meet Anakin Skywalker in the PT. In TPM he was a kid and in AOTC he was still growing. We only got to see Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker for half of the third movie and by then it was too late since he was going to turn evil. Plus, the Anakin from Rots, betrayed all of his allies and slaughtered children like a coward. He fell but once he was redeemed by his son Luke, after learning all his lessons, then he was Anakin Skywalker: the great man. In my point of view..
You knew he was going to turn evil. Not all of us did. When I watched the Palpatine tempt Anakin, I firmly believed that all of Anakin's questionable acts until this point had been made solely to suggest the mere possibility that he would turn. I never expected for a second that he would actually do it and fall so deeply because honestly, how often does that happen, especially in films aimed at younger audiences? I enjoyed Anakin's characterization in AOTC. While I wouldn't say he was the easiest character to like, there was an earnestness to the character that I appreciated. All of his reactions and even the pettiness that occasionally accompanied them seemed very real to me. I sympathized with his situation and his frustrations although I could recognize that he was behaving badly. AOTC Anakin was a character caught in a very difficult time in his life, as I saw it. So while his actions weren't always admirable, they were understandable. And that, to me, is the mark of an interesting character -- one whose story I can get invested in. I don't think the two can be separated, unfortunately. I would agree with you that Anakin's slaughter of children was cowardly, but not necessarily in the sense you might imply. I think he was simply consumed by his fear -- fear of the loss of control in his life, fear of loneliness, of worthlessness, of being unloved. It was selfishness tp the highest degree, but an act brought on by him reaching a breaking point where he found himself without hope. So he gave into that fear. Luke is literally his "new hope" and that's why the redemption works so well for me -- because it shows Anakin finally letting go of his fear. In my view, at least.
PT Anakin just seems like a baby to me. He has all these problems but never does anything to solve them. If he had visions that Padme was going to die in childbirth, why didn't he take her to the doctor? He feels frustrated at the Jedi Council for not promoting him, yet never speaks up like a man and makes his case. He just starts getting pissy-pants.
It's funny that you say he "never does anything to solve them." Turning to the Dark Side was Anakin's attempt to solve his problems -- by giving him the power he thought would prevent them from happening. It didn't turn out well unfortunately, but that's hardly unexpected. I hear the "doctor" argument quite often but I don't find it convincing. Number one, Padme was perfectly healthy physically, so I don't see what taking her to the doctor would do. She may have even gone again just to placate him. No, Anakin's problem is that he wants to prevent people from dying, to ensure that no matter what happens, he can keep those he loves by his side. Anakin's visions have come true before and so he's going to look for a source through the Force to alter them. He's not going to wait until Padme's actually giving birth before he does anything. Part of the problem here, I believe, is that Anakin feels excluded from the Council, as though they don't take anything he says into consideration. He's partially right in that regard -- Mace Windu makes sure he leaves the room before holding an important discussion with the other members and he also summarily dismisses Anakin's suggestion to hunt down Grevious. There's also the fact that Anakin's points, I believe, would hardly persuade the Council. He's a man whose very much focused on actions -- he thinks he should be a Master because he can do anything the rest of the Council can do. However, Mastership is granted based on self-mastery -- a concept Anakin doesn't fully understand and has failed to grasp. So the Council isn't going to see his statements as relevant, in that regard.
FiveThreeOhNine, thank you. PiettsHat: Kudos and hope you can win this one, but I think we're dealing with trollish behavior here.
Anakin makes his decision to save Palpatine in a split-second reaction, he didn't take action based on strong conviction. Seriously, dude. Healthy women go to the doctor during their pregnacy several times just to check up on things. They could do screening tests, ultrasound whatever to make sure the babies and Padme are ok. Mothers and babies could be in danger without there being any obvious signs. Plus they could go just to be safe. Anakin wants to prevent Padme from dying. Who else does he want to save? So he feels excluded right? Why not bring this up to the attention of the Council. Why not stand up for himself and call them out on their behavior? And if you are still ignored, put your feet down and say you wont stand for this crap and do something about it. Don't just get pissed and start whining.
@ Anakinfan That was uncalled for. You wanted discussion so now i'm giving it. Just because you are upset i'm critisizing a character you like (which you invite people to do in the OP) does not make me a troll. But, I guess that means you're giving up, thanks for playing.
I don't know about that. He seems to give it quite the consideration during the "ruminations" scene. This is one of the only times we have a voiceover in all of Star Wars, and it's of Palpatine reminding Anakin that, without him, Padme is lost. I think Anakin decided then and there that he would do anything to keep her with him. My point is, who says she didn't go see a doctor? He's going to tell her what they already know -- she's a picture of health. But there's no way to predict anything and everything that might go wrong. Because Anakin's visions have come true in the past, he's seeking power to make sure he can prevent Padme's death should his visions come to pass. Anakin also wanted to prevent his mother from dying and he failed, he believes, because he wasn't strong enough. Anakin doesn't bring it up because, I believe, he suffers from a profound sense of helplessness. He's confused and lost and it feels like nothing he does matters -- like nothing he can do will ever give him control of his life. This is why the Dark Side is so attractive, because it offers the illusion of control. He has never been shown to get his way with the Council -- they do not accede to his requests (consider that he was unable to see his mother for ten years as a more extreme example) and the Jedi are highly hierarchical in nature. Anakin believes that he's helpless to get them to see things from his perspective and he has difficulty understanding their thought processes as well, because they've never approached problems the same way.
I saw it as being truly remorseful sad and full of regret. A life wasted. In the news of becoming a father there was unmatched joy.
Yeah, I get that I kinda started off wrong called saying Anakin looked like a sexual deviant. I apologize for that (although I still hold that opinion). But anyways, yeah now i'm getting into some discussion. Which according to the bolded part, is a-ok. @ Jedi Merkurian Yes sir!
I'm sorry don't know what you are referring to when you say "ruminations scene". And yes, Anakin did make the split-decision as a second after cutting Mace's hand he says "what have I done". He never intended to turn or kill Mace. He said he needed him, which could mean he just intends to use Palps for his knowledge, doesn't mean he has to go psycho and kill everyone who ever was his friend. The movie says she didn't go to the doctor, by not showing it. If you want to say that she did go to the doctor prove it. The burden of proof is on you. Find me a source (preferably not EU) that says she went the doctor and then I would conceed the point. And how do you know and more importantly Anakin know what the doctor is going to tell him? As far as Anakin knows, the doctor could tell him anything, even that they found a treatable sign of complication during childbirth and that's its a good thing they brought Padme in before a tragedy occured. Really man, your grasping at straws, what kind of irresonsible husband doesn't take their pregnant wife the doctor when they think she may die during childbirth, just because the doctor might say that everything is ok? He wants to save Padme and that's it. There is no one else he really cares about at this point in time that he wants to save. @ Jedifirefly Completely disagree with you here. He seemed at peace in that scene. Like he was proud of his son and was ready to face death.
The ruminations scene is when Anakin and Padme stare out at each other across Coruscant right before Anakin returns to the Chancellor's office. We see Anakin, first, sit in his chair within the Council Chamber but then, Palpatine's voice says, "without me, any hope of saving her will be lost." Anakin gets up and stares out the window at Padme and she gets up and looks toward the Jedi Temple as well. He cries and then leaves to go back to Palpatine's office. I think it's here he decided that he would do anything to save Padme. He initially tries to make sure Palpatine is only arrested, but he was forced to make a choice and thus protected Palpatine to ensure that Padme would live. Once he'd implicated himself in Mace's murder, he realized that he'd effectively trapped himself and thus thought that Palpatine and the Dark Side offered the only possible escape from his situation. Really? She didn't go to the doctor because they didn't show it? Well, I guess she never has too use the bathroom either, since we're never shown that. No offense, but that's a silly argument -- it's a two hour movie about space wizards. They're not going to take time out to show a consultation with an ob-gyn. If it's any consolation, though, it's mentioned in the novelization that she went to see a doctor who said she was fine. Also, I'm not saying that Anakin wouldn't take Padme to the doctor because the doctor might say that everything is okay. I'm saying that going to the doctor wouldn't necessarily ease his fears. Even if the doctor says everything is fine, he can only say that right now everything is fine. But something could go wrong when Padme is giving birth and the doctor has no way of predicting every possible issue that could arise. Anakin feels compelled to seek a solution through the Force because he needs to be prepared for any eventuality. Power will give him peace of mind is what he is thinking. His unborn child was surely a factor, although he couldn't see the baby's fate. But, yes, in emotional terms, Anakin was concerned with saving his family. I do think, however, that he believed that an Empire would be better for everyone else in the galaxy. Anakin has little love for the Senate and I have no doubt that he would see an autocracy as a more effective way of helping people. Especially the poor who are overlooked in the Outer Territories as they don't have the money to buy influence. He and his mother used to be two of those people, after all.
Yeah, I get that I kinda started off wrong called saying Anakin looked like a sexual deviant. I apologize for that Thank you. And yes, discussion is perfectly OK. If you want to say that Anakin shouldn't have behaved the way he did over not being made a Master (for example), go for it. But name-calling--not OK, even directed at a fictional character. We're adults here, let's converse as such. We're all mature enough to address actions without putting undiscussable negative labels out there. The "ruminations scene" is the scene in which Anakin is looking out at 500 Republica and Padme is looking out at the Temple, when it's obvious that they're thinking about each other. The movie says she didn't go to the doctor, by not showing it. Using that argument, the movie also says she never went to the bathroom. She was pregnant with twins, trust me, that was not the case. (EDIT: PiettsHat, GMTA.) In the ROTS novelization, after Anakin tells her that he had a nightmare of her dying in childbirth, she said that her medical droid told her that she was perfectly healthy. In a deleted segment of one of the scenes, the scene in which Padme later questions if they are on the wrong side, Padme tells Anakin that "he" is kicking, and Anakin said, "I thought you told your medical droid not to spoil the surprise." Anakin is not a rational person and therefore does not behave rationally. Any explanations about rational actions that he should have taken, might be correct, but miss the point. It would not matter what Padme's medical droid said about her health. Anakin had a dream that his mother died, a dream that later came true exactly as he saw it, and therefore he assumed that a similar dream about Padme would also come true. No logical assurances were going to assuage his fears at that point. As far as going psycho on everyone, what is interesting and sad to me is how Palpatine literally drove Anakin insane, and did it so slowly that no one, including Anakin, knew what was happening. And saying that he was insane does not make his actions morally better--I don't think anyone questions that his actions were morally bad. But Palpatine found Anakin's weak spots and exploited them, successfully causing Anakin to question and reject every moral principle he ever had. You mentioned in the other thread that Anakin was "weak;" I don't know whether he was or not, and it doesn't really matter. I wouldn't hate a person for being mentally weak any more than I would hate a person for being physically weak. Seeing Anakin down on his knees begging Palpatine to help him save Padme's life, made me both sad and physically sick. But I couldn't hate him for being that desperate, only pity him for it. And of course what he did afterwards wasn't OK and deserved punishment, but that isn't the point.
Dude. I apologized already, just let it go. I mean I know you really like Anakin but come on, no need to patronize me. Not a kid, don't need teacher anakinfan to tell me what is ok and not ok. K? Furthermore, didn't name call. I said Anakin looked like whatever I said, NOT that he was that. Hope you would have caught the difference.. But, No need to get so hurt either, like you said he's not real, right? And fyi, you are the one who started calling me a troll. So I guess you took part in name calling/childish behavior too, didn't you?
