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Saga Chosen One

Discussion in 'The Movies' started by Temporary Menace, Jun 3, 2012.

  1. Temporary Menace Jedi Master

    I don't remember, because it's a long time since I saw the movies. Is there ever made any reference to Anakin being the Chosen One, in front of him, in the films? Or is it always said while he is away? If yes, well, then, yes. :p If no, are we to assume he knew anyway?
  2. Sistros SWC Chancellor

    Obi-Wan calls it him in ROTS ater he's chopped up

    Anakins reaction wasn't really "what the **** what do you mean, chosen one?"


    so he knew
  3. Temporary Menace Jedi Master

    Well, he had more pressing things on his mind at that time. :p And his only line of dialogue after being chopped is "I hate you", which aside from the obvious statement of his opinion about Obi-Wan can imply infinitely many things, from "I hate you for not having told me this sooner" to "I hate you for the way you chew with your mouth open" to "I just hate every fibre of your being".

    On the other hand, if it was meant to be understood that he is surprised at this revelation, I suppose Lucas would have made it more obvious.
  4. Sistros SWC Chancellor

    it is interesting that he himself didn't boast about it in his conversations with Padme or even that Palpatine didn't even seem to say "chosen one" to him.
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  5. Darth_Nub Jedi Master

    Not a bad question - apart from Obi-Wan screaming it at him on Mustafar, it doesn't appear Anakin would have had any knowledge of the prophecy, let alone his own place in it.

    In the novel Dark Lord, he does identify himself to a Jedi he's tracked down as "Anakin Skywalker. The Chosen One", but that's EU.
  6. Feel Like What Jedi Master

    How strange. I wonder if this lack of direct mention is intentional and is supposed to tell us something about his character (or the characters of the other Jedi) or is just a weird missing thread.
  7. Sistros SWC Chancellor

    what, that they are an arrogant order who think unless you are on the council you have no right to know anything? :p

    we know this already :p
  8. JackG Jedi Grand Master

    Wait, Anakin is never directly told to that he is the Chosen One in the films? (EU is different of course) I've never thought of that. That he only finds out on Mustafar is a really strange notion.
  9. K'Kruhk Jedi Grand Master

    In TPM Qui-Gon was discussing about Anakin being the Chosen One with the Council, right in front of him.
  10. Sistros SWC Chancellor

    which scene is that in?


    (not calling you a liar, I don't remember the scene)


    I remember QGJ:it was possible he was concieved by the midichlorians) Anakin wasn't there

    and No? he is the chosen you one you must see it -

    Mace: now is not the time for this

    Anakin wasn't there either
  11. Feel Like What Jedi Master

    Just checked, it's when Mace and Yoda initially reject Anakin's training.

    MACE: No, he will not be trained.
    QUI-GON: No?
    MACE: He is too old.
    QUI-GON: He is the Chosen One. You must see it.
    YODA: Clouded, this boy's future is.
  12. Sistros SWC Chancellor

    hmmm,

    well that answers that
  13. Darth_Nub Jedi Master

    Yeah, but Anakin's just a little kid from Tatooine at that point. The Jedi Council probably assumed, quite correctly, and arrogantly, that he had no idea what they were talking about - he was little more than a lab rat hanging around, or perhaps a stupid country mouse in the big city. Qui-Gon was a known rebel and loudmouth who had no problem expressing his ideas, hence why he mentioned 'The Chosen One' in front of Anakin, right or wrong. Such talk was still all meant to be going over the boy's head.

    By the time of AOTC & ROTS, it's extremely unlikely that Anakin had ever been informed officially of the prophecy, or the possibility that he was such a crucial part of it. Almost definitely not - in such stories, the established institutions, whether they be the Church or the rulers of Gondor, are always portrayed as so set in their ways that they dread such occurrences as prophecies coming to pass, despite their inevitability.

    The Jedi Council in the PT is painted as one such institution that is very devoted to maintaining the status quo - and which suffers dire consequences as a result. Apart from the danger they already sensed from Anakin to begin with, it would follow that they wouldn't want to rock the boat by informing such a potentially dangerous recruit to their ranks of just how much more powerful he was than anyone they'd ever encountered in the Order's entire history.
  14. Feel Like What Jedi Master

    This really seems like the type of thing that should have been way more clear from the films themselves - whether he knows or not. We know the Chosen One thing was a comparatively late addition to the mythos... perhaps it wasn't allowed to seep in as fully as it could have because of this? I don't know.
  15. anakinfansince1983 Shelf of Shame "Winner"

    I was sure that Anakin was there when Qui-Gon mentioned him being the Chosen One in front of the Council. Maybe it's time for a TPM re-viewing.

    At any rate, this is another example of what we're missing by not having much material covering Anakin's training, even in the EU. (And I'll count Rogue Planet and Outbound Flight; Jedi Quest is my toilet paper.) My thinking is that he was told early in his training that he was the Chosen One, and the pressure was on him more heavily because of it, sort of the way a kid who has a genius IQ is going to be under more pressure to do well in school.
  16. Feel Like What Jedi Master

    I always assumed that was the case - that part of his arrogance came from that knowledge. But he never mentions it directly, that I recall. Interesting...
  17. Valairy_Scot Jedi Grand Master

    Yup, "that" Council scene.
  18. HevyDevy Jedi Master

    I like the observation made by the OP. I think the Council indeed thought this would go over young Anakin's head, but it is likely he still knew.
    Perhaps Lucas thought only ever having other characters discuss it re-enforces the isolation Anakin had from the other Jedi.

    Slightly off-topic, I am interested in the fact that Anakin doesn't understand his lesson from Qui-Gon on midichlorians. To be honest, I don't think he ever gains much wisdom until after the events of Revenge of the Sith. Arguably he is never wise until he sacrifices himself at the end of the saga.
    Palpatine's claims that Anakin had great wisdom were obvious bull, Anakin is trusting and he knows it. An interesting side-note; both Obi-Wan and Sidious call Anakin wise in ROTS, and Qui-Gon says it to Obi-Wan also.
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  19. Charlie Jedi Grand Master

    Even if Anakin heard he was the chosen one. This still doesn't make sense without a context of the prophecy and unless Anakin was told later about the prophecy nothing indicates that he knew of his 'destiny' so to speak.
  20. JaijeeDzashe Jedi Master

    I'm pretty sure Anakin knew he was the Chosen One, or at least a Jedi of great importance, seeing as how insulted he was when he wasn't made a Jedi MAster.

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