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Lit Diversity in SW Lit - Coop's Temporary Whining Thread

Discussion in 'Expanded Universe' started by CooperTFN, Apr 8, 2012.

  1. EECHUUTA Jedi Padawan

    Well, I am a bisexual (and thus part of the LGQBT roster) and I managed to survive without this 'diversity' ;)
    The reason why I don't like seeing this stuff is because far often then not, whenever they do portray LGBT people in media, they are hypersexual and promiscuious. And as a Christian, none of this stuff is even edifying to me, because why would I care for this sort of thing, or even want to read about it as the characters are often put into graphic sexual situations?
    I'll also tell you this point blank: A lot of this sexual 'diversity' stuff is straights shame over how they treated other minorities in the past. They aren't doing this because they love minorities. They are doing it because they want to 'prove' that they aren't how they used to be, and use 'political correctness' and 'hate crime' laws. You can see this in the way they will gush over gays/bisexuals relationships, but show them a statistic on who gets a lot of the new AIDs cases popping up, they will call any straight a bigot for showing that half of the new AIDs cases are in gay/bisexual men.

    That's not love, that's guilt. And guilt involves burying your head in the sand and pretending the dark side of sexual 'diversity' doesn't exist.
  2. CooperTFN Jedi Grand Master

    Two points - one, ignoring any minority rather than risk portraying them poorly sounds like burying one's head in the sand as well. Two, your example of bisexuals being portrayed as hypersexual Is absolutely true, and is part of the problem. The solution is better writing, not fewer bisexuals.

    I did indeed; the post you quoted is it. :p
  3. The Forgotten Jedi Jedi Master

    Scourge has a Diversity Score of 91. Although I've seen some people saying Zuma is hispanic, so it would be 100 if that is true. Not very surprising since it's based in Hutt space.

    Here's the DP for reference:
    Angela Krin; lieutenant commander, CSA, and captain, ''Resolute'' (Human female)
    Eddey Be'ray; spacer (Bothan male)
    Hedu; Matriarch of the Bomu Clan (Rodian female)
    Koax; aide to the Spice Lord (Klatooinian female)
    Mander Zuma; Jedi Master and archivist (Human male)
    Mika Anjiliac; businessbeing (masculine Hutt)
    Popara Anjiliac; Hutt lord (masculine Hutt)
    Reen Irana; spacer (Pantoran female)
    Toro Irana; Jedi Knight (Pantoran male)
    Vagos Gejalli; adviser to Popara Anjiliac (feminine Hutt)
    Zonnos Anjiliac; businessbeing (masculine Hutt)
  4. CooperTFN Jedi Grand Master

    :eek:

    ...i am blown away. I had some hopes for it, but I didn't dare to dream.

    Also, I love that it bothers to say "feminine" and "masculine" Hutt rather than female or male. My expectations for this just went way up.
  5. The Loyal Imperial Census & Games General Manager

    According to my calculations, you can add these to your list, too. Exact breakdowns available upon request.

    The Cestus Deception (77, 17 out of 22 for non-[white human males], counting the clones as one character)
    Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil (66, 4 out of 6 for non-[white human males])
    Dark Tide I: Onslaught (64, 9 out of 14 for non-[white human males])
    Balance Point (64, 11 out of 17 for non-[white human males])
    The Force Unleashed II (57, 8 out of 14 for non-[white human males])
    Crosscurrent (57, 4 out of 7 for [non-white human males])
    Dark Tide II: Ruin (46, 6 out of 13 for non-[white human males])
  6. Kais Jai Sheelal Jedi Grand Master


    Really, I has pictures too:

    [IMG]

    Honestly I never once viewed Sinde as white. Perhaps of mixed heritage but this actually shocks me that so many people looked at him and saw a white guy.

    So what is Oron Jaeger, white?

    So what does this guy count as?

    [IMG]

    I'm just curious because if I look at the DP for say triple zero we have 16 human males, 11 of which look just like that guy(all of whom are prominate characters). We also have 2 white females, and 3 aliens(twilek, Wookiee and Hutt).
  7. CooperTFN Jedi Grand Master

    I remember him as a tan white guy myself - less clearly nonwhite than Antares Draco, and even he I was never sure on.

    Loyal, I'll add 'em - but I'd say count the clones separately. Otherwise you could make the same argument for counting the Skysolos as one character.
  8. The Loyal Imperial Census & Games General Manager

    I wouldn't say so, though in that case it's a score of 80 (21 out of 26).
  9. CooperTFN Jedi Grand Master

    S'only fair. No one's holding a gun to the authors' heads to make the clones main characters, so they should get credit when they do.

    I'm adding Sinde to Legacy's score, as well - like I said, benefit of the doubt. That ties Legacy with KE, with Cestus in the lead:

    Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil - 66
    TOR: Deceived - 66
    Knight Errant - 75
    The Cestus Deception - 80
    The Force Unleashed II - 57
    Death Troopers - 60
    Dark Tide I: Onslaught - 64
    Dark Tide II: Ruin 46
    Balance Point - 64
    Crosscurrent - 57
    FotJ: Vortex - 65
    FotJ: Conviction* - 65
    FotJ: Ascension - 58
    Legacy comics - 75
  10. The Loyal Imperial Census & Games General Manager

    Also of note in the case of The Cestus Deception: the X'Ting are, like the Hutts, another gender-changing species (every three years, in fact).
  11. Kais Jai Sheelal Jedi Grand Master

    Alright, DP for Revelation:

    14 human males(2 mixed, 2 white homosexual, 10 white)
    4 Human females(3 white, 1 mixed)
    1 Kiffar Female(Human basically but ?)
    2 Aliens
  12. The Forgotten Jedi Jedi Master

    They even discuss that fact briefly.

    You left Scourge out of your updated list. It should be in the lead.
  13. CooperTFN Jedi Grand Master

    Oh, pfft. I don't think my brain has fully registered it yet. :p

    Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil - 66
    TOR: Deceived - 66
    Knight Errant - 75
    The Cestus Deception - 80
    The Force Unleashed II - 57
    Death Troopers - 60
    Scourge - 91
    Dark Tide I: Onslaught - 64
    Dark Tide II: Ruin 46
    Balance Point - 64
    LotF: Revelation* - 48
    Crosscurrent - 57
    FotJ: Vortex - 65
    FotJ: Conviction* - 65
    FotJ: Ascension - 58
    Legacy comics - 75
  14. Havac Moderator of Your Temporary Lit Substitute

    I didn't think he was white, but I didn't think he looked black, either. If I had to pick, I'd say Arab.
  15. CooperTFN Jedi Grand Master

    Absent John's input, I'd agree with that.
  16. The Loyal Imperial Census & Games General Manager

  17. FiveThreeOhNine Jedi Grand Master

    Darth Bane: Rule of Two - 20
    X-Wing: Rogue Squadron - 61
    X-Wing: Wedge's Gamble - 63
    X-Wing: The Krytos Trap - 63
    X-Wing: The Bacta War - 59
    X-Wing: Isard's Revenge - 50

    All taken from the DP only, droids excluded.
  18. Kais Jai Sheelal Jedi Grand Master

    As long as we are agreed with not white I'm good.:p

    I've always envisioned him like this with more hair.

    [IMG]
  19. AdmiralNick22 Jedi Grand Master

    Good catch, Hav. I like that idea alot.

    --Adm. Nick
  20. CooperTFN Jedi Grand Master

    Hm, I would have expected better from the X-Wing books.

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