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Clone Wars Mother Talzin: What's her deal?

Discussion in 'Television' started by Sith Star Slayer, Mar 23, 2012.

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  1. Posted: Apr 5, 2012 at 4:32 PM
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    H_J Force Ghost

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    Plans? What plans?
    H_J,
  2. Posted: Apr 5, 2012 at 4:35 PM
    #62

    Seerow LACWAC Moderator Spontaneous Maximus

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    I tend to think we are still just a quarter of the way in the story arc for the Nightsisters, Talzin, Ventress, Savage and Maul as well. Next season which I will keep referring to optimistically with the subtitle of **** Happens I think will be the half way point. I think will find ourselves midway through a few of the subplots such as Deathwatch stuff.
    Seerow,
  3. Posted: Apr 5, 2012 at 9:53 PM
    #63

    Dark Lord Tarkas Jedi Grand Master

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    I kinda think there's a 50/50 chance they'll finish Talzin's character arc next season, but not in one episode or one arc. Maybe. I think and hope DW is here to stay. I need to see DW versus army of Jedi so my '96 Essential Guide to Characters makes sense.
    Dark Lord Tarkas,
  4. Posted: Apr 7, 2012 at 2:10 AM
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    Sinrebirth SWC, ToR and EUC Mod-Imperator

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    It really depends on who knows about Maul's survival.

    The trigger of the entire arc is Sidious' order that Ventress should die, causing her to flee to Dathomir, allowing Talzin to manipulate her and Dooku into obtaining Savage complete with Sith training, giving Talzin her own Maul. Her support of Ventress in subsequent arcs is purely cold manipulation, in that Talzin had to play out the defeat of the Nightsisters and the attempt on Dooku's life to conceal Maul's return.

    But if Sidious knew about Maul's survival, then the entire scheme is him playing with everyone and Maul's return is just more sport to find a better temporary Sith apprentice, to distract Dooku and eliminate a few pesky darksiders along the way.

    If Talzin knew about Maul's survival, and Sidious did not, then it's Talzin who is manipulating Sidious, in that Ventress eventually becoming too powerful and forcing Sidious to order her death leads to Talzin unleashing Maul and Oppress on the galaxy at large.

    If the end goal of the manipulations is Maul's return, that is.

    Who knows, at this stage.
    Sinrebirth,
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  5. Posted: Apr 7, 2012 at 7:05 AM
    #65

    Lady_Misty Jedi Master

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    If Sidious learns that he's being manipulated . . . it's not going to be pretty. However what you have said makes sense.
    Lady_Misty,
  6. Posted: Apr 7, 2012 at 7:39 AM
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    Sith Star Slayer LACWAC Mod of Peace, Justice & War

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    You are spot on, Sinre!
    It all hinges on WHO KNEW that Maul did not die....
    Sith Star Slayer,
  7. Posted: Apr 7, 2012 at 9:28 AM
    #67

    Sannom Jedi Master

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    In my personal theories, Sidious knew, but that doesn't mean that he ever thought his former apprentice would come back, because he personally took care of breaking his mind (those blacks tendrils Talzin extract from Maul's mind would make sense as the manifestation of an exterior influence) and then abandoning him on Lotho Minor to die.
    Sannom,
  8. Posted: Apr 7, 2012 at 12:23 PM
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    Sith Star Slayer LACWAC Mod of Peace, Justice & War

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    "I still might have some small use for you. "
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  9. Posted: Apr 7, 2012 at 2:01 PM
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    Sannom Jedi Master

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    I was thinking of an 'Evil is Petty' moment after Maul rants about mercy. Imagine his mumblings in Brothers, but said after Sidious asks him what he's expecting for his failure.
    Sannom,
  10. Posted: Apr 8, 2012 at 7:39 PM
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    ChosenOne314 Jedi Padawan

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    I don't really understand. I get that they're witches. Are all of the Nightsisters force sensitive? Because, I don't really understand her power. I hope this doesn't sound ridiculous. She just caught me off guard lol.
    ChosenOne314,
  11. Posted: Apr 8, 2012 at 7:42 PM
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    Dark Lord Tarkas Jedi Grand Master

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    Apparently only Mother Talzin and Old Daka have crazy Force powers.
    Dark Lord Tarkas,
  12. Posted: Apr 8, 2012 at 7:43 PM
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    Seerow LACWAC Moderator Spontaneous Maximus

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    I hope its the force Talzin is channeling and not some other crazy magic power.
    Seerow,
  13. Posted: Apr 8, 2012 at 7:49 PM
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    Dark Lord Tarkas Jedi Grand Master

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    It's Star Wars, so her powers are the Force. Every source but TCW calls them Force-witches.
    Dark Lord Tarkas,
  14. Posted: Apr 8, 2012 at 8:45 PM
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    ChosenOne314 Jedi Padawan

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    ah ok. that makes sense. I figured they practiced an ancient form of Force magic or something. I guessed it had to be, dark side tendencies and all. lol.
    ChosenOne314,
  15. Posted: Apr 9, 2012 at 4:42 AM
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    Arawn Fenn Force Ghost

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    Lucas has said they're not using the Force. Filoni, however, tried to walk this back and say that they are using the Force, just not in a way we're accustomed to.

    When Filoni is the voice of reason, you know things are bad.

    Also, in EU "Dathomirian Force witch" does not necessarily mean "Nightsister", because of the light side Dathomirian witches that TCW has completely ignored ( or never knew about in the first place ).

    If TCW is going to insist on using things from the EU, they should at least try to be faithful to it. Otherwise they would be better off just inventing a new group on a new planet.
    Arawn Fenn,
  16. Posted: Apr 9, 2012 at 5:35 AM
    #76

    H_J Force Ghost

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    Yes, I remember hearing that as well.
    H_J,
  17. Posted: Apr 9, 2012 at 7:16 AM
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    TaradosGon Jedi Grand Master

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    They aren't at all relevant to the story being told. Why would they be mentioned?

    Talzin: "Welcome back sister, by the way there are others like us on the other side of the planet that use benevolent energies, just FYI. But enough about that you should give up on your training as Dooku's apprentice and become a true Nightsister." In my day to day conversation I tend not to derail topics by talking about the various ethnic groups and religions of the United States.
    TaradosGon,
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  18. Posted: Apr 9, 2012 at 9:22 AM
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    Sith Star Slayer LACWAC Mod of Peace, Justice & War

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    Discarded and forgotten by both Jedi and Sith, I don't doubt that Maul still fears his former Master but am unsure of how he will react when he finally crosses paths with Sidious again.

    Mighella was somewhere in between.
    Sith Star Slayer,
  19. Posted: Apr 9, 2012 at 12:45 PM
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    Dark Lord Tarkas Jedi Grand Master

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    @Arawn Fenn I know GL said that, he's just wrong. *thumbsup*
    Dark Lord Tarkas,
  20. Posted: Apr 9, 2012 at 12:55 PM
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    FiveThreeOhNine Jedi Grand Master

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    They use Chinese Black Magic.

    [IMG]
    FiveThreeOhNine,
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