DRush76-I agree completely with what you said which is why I have a hard time believing that Obi-wan did the right thing by making Luke believe that Anakin and Vader are 2 seperate people. Excuse me, but if a martial arts teacher of yours(who knows your father) tells you that some tyrant murdered your father and he trains you to fight this tyrant who ends up telling you he IS your father, you wouldn't think your teacher is deceiving you into killing your own parent? You all think that Obi-wan is only protecting Luke when he made up the "Vader betrayed and murdered your father" ruse but all it does is motivate Luke into wanting revenge. The Dagobah cave scene shows us what would happen if Luke had killed Vader without knowing that he's his father and if it had happened for real and Luke found out who Vader is afterwards, he would hate Obi-wan for making him kill his own father and will end up joining the Sith just like Anakin did. Palps said that killing the Jedi will make Anakin strong enough to save Padme from death so yes, he was deceived into killing the Jedi and Obi-wan himself believes it too. It wasn't hard for Anakin to do what he did since he has several reasons to hate the Jedi like not letting him see his mother, not showing him any respect or gratitude, not granting him the rank of master, not allowing him to have an open relationship with Padme, and forcing him to spy on Palpatine. The last straw came when Mace told Anakin to stay put even when Anakin told him that Palpatine is Darth Sidious. Mace says that Anakin has gained his trust but he doesn't realize that leaving him behind has destroyed any trust Anakin had left with Mace or the entire Jedi Order, hence why Anakin betrayed and helped Sidious murdered them all.
"This bickering is pointless." pmt99, in a thread entitled "Obi-Wan hang out"--a place for Obi-Wan fans to discuss Obi-Wan--you're not likely to find people who are going to agree with you that Obi-Wan was an evil ******* for telling Luke about PT events "from a certain point of view." That is all. Can we move along? Here's one of my favorite Obi-Wan images:
MOD WARNING: This is a thread for those that are fans of Obi-Wan. Now if you would like to start a thread about why you think Obi-Wan did wrong and that way you can probably get several more people to look at it. That would be swell. So let's get back to talk about the jedi that I love and know several people here love.
I gotta admit I have a lot of respect for Kenobi and even like him even I don't agree with him half the time...I believe his a victim of his circumstances just as much as Anakin or Padmè....he's like the Percy Weasley of star wars lol
All this talk has itched a plot bunny in me for a one shot, but I"m still working it out. We'll see if I actually manage to put something in words...but how many parents have tried their best to protect their children from some truth, and ended up regretting that decision later, by either that child feeling like they were deceived or it all just backfiring on them. That doesn't make them bad parents or even bad people, just people in a difficult situation trying to do the best they can, and doing what they thought best at the time. Obi-Wan did what he thought best at the time, and true, he probably really saw Anakin and Vader as two different people...very understandable, and in a very real way, he was right. I like Anakin, when he was a Jedi. If he hadn't been so obsessive about Padme as well as so self absorbed about "being the best; they don't appreciate me" to the point of being open to underhanded manipulations, he would have been a great Jedi. He was loyal to a fault..my favorite Anakin moment was when he refused to leave Obi-Wan behind on the dying ship when Palps tried to urge him to (yes, he was saving my Obi-wan, but still ) He and Obi-Wan made a great team, which is why Anakin's fall and the final dual between "brothers" was so tragic. But I too am ready to move on...and bring on the Obi pics!!
Here you go : It's not really fair how you girls have Obi, Ani, Han, Luke,Qui Gon, Bail, Wedge to swoon over while all we male fans have is Leia In a bikini .. Not really fair when you think about it.
I don't think it's quite so clear cut. He wasn't lying about Plagieus knowing the trick, but Palpatine led Anakin to believe that he could teach it to him, when in fact he could do nothing of the sort. Palpatine killed Plagieus before learning it. He outright admits to Anakin that the two of them will have to start from scratch in order to figure it out. I actually caught myself wondering why Anakin didn't react to that last time I watched Episode 3...
He's Anakin's dark side mentor, Anakin has a higher midichlorian count than basically anyone, and the power exists. Palpatine's not exactly starting from scratch in any event. He obviously knows the main idea behind the process, and muses in the Plagueis novel about his own uncertainty regarding whether he is one or two "levels" behind Plagueis. I find it doubtful that he had not experimented at all with working toward the ability.
Thanks!! Love those Pics - LOL at the bedroom eyes Obi - and love the pic of Obi relaxing agianst his "speeder". Love them all - just gorgeous!!
Great pictures. I especially like the speeder one. Has anyone here seen this video? Its about Dave Filoni explaining why Obi-Wan received his beat-down in Season 4: http://starwars.com/watch/insider_filoni_on_obiwan.html ^ What are your thoughts on this video?
Yikes. "These are dark times" in response to if Obi-Wan has it easier in Season 5. Then "he's mentally tough," and "has to bear all these burdens" and talk of his failure(s). Not to say that Filini practically comes out and says "You complained Obi-Wan was missing in the first 1/2 of the season? Be careful what you wish for - you want him, well, this is what we're giving you." So he's supposed to be a somewhat incompetent Jedi master who survives only because he's mentally tough enough to take a licking and keep on ticking? What makes his character arc so compelling is that despite all that he accomplishes, he humbly accepts the burden - of Anakin's fall, the Jedi fall, the Republic fall - when he's only one of many who contributed to it.
