Discussion in 'Community' started by VadersLaMent, Mar 25, 2012.
I am really excited about that one.
CR! at ThatGuyWithTheGlasses recorded his own thoughts about the movie.There's a bit of language, so I can't link directly to it.
But in a nutshell....he shares a few of my viewpoints on it.
1. Would have been more chilling had Shaw had a giant human fetus removed, instead of a squid monster.
2. There was no reason for Weyland to stow away on a ship full of people that his company was paying, and actually wanted to be there.
3. The opening scene pretty much ruins the rest of the movie.
4. Science gets *****slapped for not being Frankenstein enough.
5. The rabid Ridley Scott/ALIEN fanboys and girls who claim to be intellectually superior to anyone who criticizes Prometheus are just trolls. "You Just Don't Get It" is not a valid argument, and defending Prometheus' plot holes and unanswered questions by quoting Nietzsche just makes you a pompous ass.
well i won't say "you just don't get it", but i don't think any of those are very good points. i liked that the film had lots of unanswered questions, it kept me thinking about it days after i watched it.
Are there any legit plot holes? I'm struggling to think of anything that is an actual plot hole and not just an unanswered question or a lapse in judgement by one character or another.
Fifeld and Milburn get lost in the ship, despite being tracked with a holographic 3D map by the Prometheus deck crew, and was also in constant radio contact with the Prometheus.
Doesn't really help when the captain is off playing spin the bottle with the company rep. Holographic maps and radio contact aren't worth much when nobody's looking at it or talking to you.
Plus no one cared about those characters, so...
You can get lost even with a map.
Especially if the person monitoring you on the other end of the radio leaves to go sleep with Charlize Theron.
EDIT: What darthboba said.
Not "plot holes" per se, but clearly the results of sloppy writing/editing/directing/whatever:
1. Idris Elba lied to the two guys who were initially left behind in the complex, saying there was interference with their helmetcam feeds when the screens showed perfectly clear images. Why? This was never explained.
2. The zombie attack.You can't even stretch the convoluted nature of the "it'll do any ****ing thing the writers want it to" black goo in order to make it fit. And no one cares about it after it happens.
3. Why would Guy Pearce need to fake his death? Who would stop him from dragging his ancient, trillionaire ass along for the ride? Why didn't anyone figure out something was up before the big reveal? You're telling me the captain just ignored that he was kept in a dark regarding a part of a relatively small ship?
I'm forgetting a good 80-90% of this crap 'cause my brain has already started to purge this pretty, mostly worthless mess of a film from my mind. Just look at that chart up there. Look at it and tell me it's not completely ridiculous.
as for the old guy, since both you and lee brought it up... i figured he was just an eccentric old trillionaire who wanted to be left alone until he could "meet his makers". i'm surprised people are so bothered by that plot point.
Well, he also didn't matter much. Like, it's supposed to be sort of a big reveal that he's alive. But he's all like "Hi, I'm here to die." And he does. He's also Charlize Theron's father, which manages to make the good actress give a terrible line delivery and nothing else.
haha yeah, i don't disagree on those points. i guess the big reveal is that this is the actual purpose of the mission but it's past the point where that would matter.
His makeup was unforgivable. Just hire an old dude.
I liked it in spite of all that, but I'm not at all sure why.
There must be a reason for the bad make-up. I don't know if they're going to do it with flashbacks or with a pre-prequel, but I betcha they plan to show that guy in his younger days.
I'm not so sure Scott has any kind of a plan. Max von Sydow was only in his early forties when he played Father Merrin in The Exorcist. Now, he looks just right for the part.
DG's right, there are no actual plot holes. My friend sent me a link to some sight that does nothing but catalogue plot holes in film and the biggest impact one (they have a scale) doesn't rise to that level.
I agree on the sloppiness (zombie attack was pointless and doesn't really fit).
Crazy rich guy only wanting his inner circle to know he's on a quest for immortality, what's hard to get there? He's a billionaire who doesn't want to share. If Bill Gates took off on a mission to planet X, it'd draw a hell of a lot of attention.
1. Except that would have completely contradicted the nature of the goo in other parts of the film and been stupid and taken the movie a completely different direction and wouldn't have been scary.
2. Yes there was. Use your imagination. He faked his own death to avoid his company having all sorts of security on board the ship, as opposed to not caring and letting a dying man's last superstitious wish proceed. or he faked his own death just because he was eccentric and old, and didn't feel like or have the time (literally) to explain it all or whatever. Just let them figure it all out and then wake up for what matters.
3. That's a blanket statement that provides no reasoning and is wrong. (but seriously)
5. You either suspend your disbelief or you don't. You either buy in or not. If you want to be skeptical and decide that everything that's not handed to you on a silver platter is a mistake, then so be it. I choose to give the film maker some credit and the benefit of the doubt, especially when he's shown he likes to be ambiguous, has said the film is supposed to be as much, and it's clear, from the film itself, it's supposed to be up to you. It's not like the film is accidentally not explaining itself well. Look at what the characters themselves know. Look at the content they're dealing with. Are you mad because it's not Alien and everything isn't neatly confined and simply followed? Prometheus is taking the only real question from Alien and making an entire movie about it, while weaving in the question of man's origin, how would that not be open-ended and complicated? But, once again, it comes back to whether you choose to be satisfied or not. Thought-provoked, or angered and dismissive?
1. didn't need to be. small fries. they didn't like them (clearly) and were fine with leaving them in an giant, dead, empty spaceship for one night. no threat had been detected yet. And the pilot seems concerned when the blip pops up, but once it's gone, he goes back to not caring. He trusts his technology. He doesn't like them. He trusts his judgement.
2. If it created human beings, it's pretty dexterous stuff. And do they have time to? no. Pretty sure after the zombie attack noomi rapace has a squid baby and old man guy goes to find questions and everyone dies. soon thereafter. Besides that, we live in the perspective of noomi from that point on, for the most part. The people that would have been talking about it we don't deal with, really.
3. None of them were in full control of the ship. The doctors were in charge of the mission, but weyland's daughter was in charge of them, but she took orders from the robot because he was getting orders from weyland and the pilot was in charge of the ship. Ultimately, Charlize Theron was in charge and everyone else was on need-to-know. They didn't.
I thought it was totally believable. It's not just him old. It's him insanely past the age of death because of technology. He's past old. He's other. He's a zombie, fueled by greed. The ironic thing is, I thought his feet didn't look old enough, outside of being all twisted and nasty, but those were some really old guy's actual feet.
He should be pretty alarmed by the piles of bodies, etc.-- well, we have to presume here because the character was an ill-defined piece of cardboard that Elba attempted to flesh out through his talent. The helmetcams were showing piles of Engineer bodies, which the guys were freaking out about. He looked sort of concerned too, but then he lied about it. For no reason.
"Dextrous." I guess that's one, charitable way to put it. And yes, the characters didn't have time to think about it, SO WHY IS IT THERE FOR THE AUDIENCE TO THINK ABOUT? (Not all-caps'ing at you, just the stupid movie.)
See, I find it hard to believe that any self-respecting captain-- or any experienced crewmember for that matter-- would go along with a years-long mission sans important info. That reminds me of the point that other people brought up: why would anyone sign onto such a mission if they didn't find out what they were doing until they reached their destination?