Ah, but you have underestimated me. For indeed, I am a smug a-hole. I know nothing of this dissent you speak of. (And dude, I missed your first post because I was working all day, just so you know. Wasn't trying to ignore or anything) I have no problem with people disagreeing with my opinion (which I'll add, is of course true all the time) but some of the responses makes me wonder if certain posters even watched the episodes in question. Beyond that, and as a thread in whole, the immediate conclusion is obviously "bad writing!" and I'm not sure if certain people even want to consider any other possibilities. I enjoyed your above post, you acknowledge certain points that have been made, and debated them with your own opinion. But when you take a look at, say, the first page of this thread there is just a string of post saying "Katie Lucas... Katie Lucas..." I find it hard to imagine no one even considering the story point from the episode previous where Savage gave Ventress his life, as you point out, in exchange for his brothers. You are welcome to call Savage an idiot for trusting Asajj, but that seems an aside to me. (much like the larger aside of Savage returning to Talzin) And my comment about subtle is because I see a lot of people saying, "that can't be true because they don't talk about it." That is an opinion I can't understand, TCW relies too heavily on dialogue as it is, that last thing I want to see is less things left up to the audience to interpret and debate. Anyways, my opinions are known and I don't want to drag out arguments in here. I'm pretty tired of coming here with opinions and they all seem to get drawn out into some stupid argument about the most retarded points. And gosh darn it, I've only been active two weeks. My fault I'm sure, but whatever. Feel free to PM if you want to take this further.