Discussion in 'Television' started by AkashKedavra_93, Mar 27, 2012.
Exactly. Pointless, out of character and badly executed.
I'm sure in real wars, everyone who dies does so to an original, brilliantly executed storyline.
Like DUH. But what's the point of stories then, hm?
Some do. Julius Caesar, Stonewall Jackson, and Nelson jump to mind without looking anything up.
Just saying, I hated Echo's death at first because he was the only clone I half-cared about and it was so fast, but I've come to appreciate that in war people lose close friends suddenly and without flare all the time, so it works in that respect. We already had more embellished clone deaths before that.
bb I wasn't saying not one, I was saying not all.
Yeah, I know. But I'm a history nerd so any chance I get...
I'll agree with those saying the death was stupid. I was totally fine with him dying and didn't mind that the death was pointless. It happens. What I didn't like was the show did a terrible job of explaining the death. I don't really remember all the plot points during that scene, but the move that he made which resulted in his death seemed pretty bone-headed. Not something you would expect from an ARC-trooper? (he was an ARC, right?)
Ah, please feel free to always flex your history-nerd-ness. (And I mean that.)
I get that it was out of character for him to do something random like whatever it was since his whole character was based on just echoing rules and regulations and I remember he took a chance, but I just see it as him taking a chance to save his team and trying to take it, the fact that it's out-of-character for him works for me as a demonstration of free will, someone doing something they wouldn't normally do because they think the potential payoff is worth it. We all have that part of ourselves that is hard to access but can be reached, even if you're a clone.
Do we have to go over this again? Echo was always one to follow orders. Hell, he got his name for mimicking orders! His death was not only pointless, but out of character and never brought up again. Why would the person who adheres to orders suddenly decide to draw fire towards their only means of escape?
Read the post before yours.
I really hate limited edit times...
I think Waxer's death was the best. At first Waxer's death tore me up. But I've gotten to where I think I understand the meaning behind it. Just read the old fortune cookie for "Innocents of Ryloth".
I admit TCW's has used the clone characters well throughout the series. They are one of the only real aspects of internal continuity we've seen throughout the series. Slowly all the clones from Season 1 seem to be getting picked off.
I voted for Echo. I disagree completely that it was an out-of-character moment. I saw it as the tragic culmination of Echo's character arc.
His early career is beset by everyone - from the Jedi overseer of the clone training regimen to his own squadmates - telling him to not be such a dogmatic and unimaginative drone, whether through expressing their professional opinions or by belittling him in private. He is then transferred to an elite special forces unit where creativity and risk-taking is encouraged. After Tarkin proposes using the shuttle's cannons against the turret and after Anakin fails to destroy the turret with the STAP, Echo sees his chance to take a risk and gain notoriety, succeeding where the Hero With No Fear failed (possible subtext to his line "This is our only chance!"), but risk-taking is new to his thought processes and he doesn't properly consider the risk that his plan exposes both himself and the shuttle to. Even Fives, whose "blood boil for a fight", tells him to take caution, but he doesn't. Motivated by a desire to prove that he isn't just a drone, Echo gambles too far.
I used to hate Echo's death, but now I see it as one of the better character moments in the series.
I hear you.
My biggest problem with Echo's death is that it didn't make sense. Not just the out of character thing. What Zandalor said, why would he draw fire to the shuttle?
I believe his cunning plan was Tarkin's proposal: to reach the shuttle, start up the shields and weapons systems and use the laser cannons against the turret.
It's part of a clear, well-written character arc, IMO.
It's funny that we both didn't like it at first but came to see its merit after some time had passed.
I think I need to rewatch the Citadel arc.
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