Discussion in 'Community' started by Todd the Jedi, May 1, 2012.
New trailer out.
I guess Gotham is now an amalgam of Chicago and NYC.
I'm still struggling to get excited about this film.
Though the thought of Batman vs. Bane in a contest of who has the silliest voice might just get me to see it. I guess I'm just more of a Spider-Man fan.
Agreed. Maybe it's all the Avengers hype in my ear but right now I couldn't care less about TDKR. This trailer somehow makes a Batman movie look boring.
I've just watched the new trailer. Again, it's good, but isn't a particular great effort. Nolan still has my trust, though, and I'm bat-excited for the film itself. It'll certainly be better than bloody Prometheus.
But it's a threequel, E. Totally raping Batman Begins' integrity.
This looks excellent, and anyone who doesn't think so is entitled to their opinion.
Though their punishment will be more severe.
EDIT: I get the feeling that Batman very well might die. And that's what I love about this movie. Nolan has the ability to do that. It's the end of the trilogy.
"Not everything. Not yet"
People who think so are also entitled to their opinion.
So if you're going out, go out in the dumbest fashion possible?
Well it's my opinion, so of course they're entitled to it.
Ramza, how is Batman dying a dumb way to end the series?
I want to see it.
I'm definitely excited for the film. Not a great trailer, but it still grabs you.
It is supposed to be 8 years later. I have a feeling this is going to be a conglomeration of Bane's breaking of Batman and Dark Knight where Bane is the mutant leader that beats him.
Because there are really only two ways to handle it if you pull that card, and IMO they both suck:
1. We're all Batman. Not only will this smack of the worst part of the V for Vendetta adaptation (Spoiler alert: Alan Moore sure as hell didn't want us to think we were V), but it will completely miss the point of the character. Namely: we're not all Batman. Batman does not represent a core aspect of our personal being we should all strive for in the way that Superman does - Batman is a combination revenge/power fantasy. We like Batman because we want to be him, but we can't.
2. Some random idiot not previously shown (Because there are no viable candidates from previous installments) becomes the Batman. Yes, they did this in the comics. They also were able to justify it with a long pre-established supporting cast of Batman-like vigilantes and an extended Batfamily. Dick Grayson was the obvious successor precisely because he's been around so damn long, both as Robin and as Nightwing. In a film where the replacement debuts as the replacement, you lose that sense of character arc fulfillment. There's no sense of the son becoming the father, there's just some **** thinking he can be Batman.
So I sincerely hope he avoids it, and frankly I don't think Nolan will fall into that trap. There might be an extended sequence where we think Batman is dead as an homage to the ending of The Dark Knight Returns, but actually killing him off would be a poor decision.
I doubt they kill him off. It's a lot harder to do a reboot or a re-imagining with the death of the main character. Batman is truly the only thing DC has going for them in terms of movies. I think they will avoid anything that would cause more harm to the franchise then necessary.
But there's no more movies in the Nolanverse after this. It's an 8 year time skip. Batman's going to be old. To me, making this a huge, one last fight to come back and restore Gotham to the greatness it saw when his father was alive is all that Batman and Bruce have to live for. And there are no more movies, hence no more 'super-villains' for Batman to fight. Plus there's Commisioner Gordon to take care of Gotham, Catwoman if she turns out to be quasi-good in the end, and perhaps John Blake to take up the cowl if Batman is needed. It shouldn't end with Batman saying well I guess it's off to stop some more random criminals. There should be an end, rest. It's what he deserves. He's given Gotham everything he has, and it would be really nice if he gave it his life.
tl:dr the movies are over, so why shouldn't the character and the narrative be over as well?
Wow...I find the lack of faith and excitement in this movie...disturbing.
But I guess that's reasonable. Historically, the final chapters of many a trilogy have left a helluva lot to be desired.
If you sincerely think that the only way to satisfactorily provide narrative closure is to kill off the main character, I do not believe we have anything further to discuss.
AHEM! Early to mid 30's (which would probably be Bruce's age range in this film if he started out in his early to mid 20s), isn't old. Especially with the physical conditioning Bruce puts himself through in all DC incarnations, including Nolanverse.
Begins ended exactly on his 30th birthday. Let's say a year or two passed between the end of Begins and TDK. So if my math is right, he'd only be around 40 when TDKR starts. Not exactly "old" by any standard. The Batman of The Dark Knight Returns was considerably older (55 if memory serves), but still quite capable of dishing out the pain.