Discussion in 'The Movies' started by Slowpokeking, Jun 4, 2012.
How do you know that? Based on what?
According to EU sources, but this is the movie forum and Anakin/Vader never mentioned Qui-Gon again after TPM.
I would certainly say that while Qui-Gon greatly affected Anakin's life in the short time he knew him, given that they were together for so brief a period, Obi-Wan most definitely was a more important figure in Anakin's life. He essentially raised Anakin from age 9 to 20 and then fought by his side for the next three years. Obi-Wan was Anakin's family, his mentor, his teacher, his guardian, his brother in arms, and his friend. Qui-Gon knew Anakin for several weeks (at the very most) or even just a few days. There's no way he can compete with that.
That being said, though, I don't think that one can necessarily say that Anakin would have turned had Qui-Gon been his master. Not to say that Obi-Wan did anything wrong, but I think Palpatine would have had a much tougher time digging his claws into Anakin had Qui-Gon been his master. This is really based off something Ian McDiarmid said -- that if Star Wars had a subtitle, it would be "Fathers and Sons." Qui-Gon is very much Obi-Wan's father who, in many ways, entrusts his "younger son," Anakin, into Obi-Wan's care. From the way the films play out, I think it's pretty clear that Obi-Wan eventually comes to accept this role -- he calls Anakin his brother twice in ROTS, for example.
Where this is problematic in terms of Anakin, though, is that Anakin desperately wants a father figure. He repeatedly refers to Obi-Wan in AOTC as "like my father" and tries to force him into that role. With Obi-Wan as young as he is (and recently knighted in TPM to boot), though, he is simply unable to be the father that Anakin desperately wants him to be. By ROTS, Anakin even drops the designation and we no longer see him refer to Obi-Wan as such.
Interestingly, though, I have am almost certain that Palpatine picks up on Anakin's longing for a father and uses it to further manipulate him. He explicitly refers to him as "son," for example, and often behaves quite fatherly (the hand on the shoulder springs to mind).
In my opinion, then, had Qui-Gon lived, Palpatine would have found it much more difficult to insert himself into this void in Anakin's life because, Qui-Gon would have been the one to fill it. There's also other points to consider, such as whether Qui-Gon would have insisted that Anakin's mother be freed. We know that he tried in TPM and he certainly wasn't afraid to go against the Council, so it's a possibility (though still speculation).
It's not that tight, Anakin questioned him a lot and easily lost trust in EP III.
Yup and offered no objection when Sidious ordered him an enemy of the Republic who need to be killed.
But even after that he still kept respect to Qui Gon.
I'm not sure how Anakin would react to the temptation of the darkside if Qui-Gon was there to guide him. Qui-Gon's warning to Anakin was ineffective in preventing the Tusken Raider massacre.
We're not given much input in the movies as to Anakin's thoughts on Qui-Gon. We can only assume he still looks up to him, though.
I think Disco dude rock is referring to Qui-Gon shouting "Anakin. Anakin! No!" Right after Anakin begins his slaughter of the Tuskens and we cut to Yoda. I'm not sure, though, if Anakin himself ever heard it since when the audience hears it, we are watching Yoda meditating.
I'm not even sure Anakin heard Qui-Gon during the Tusken slaughter. I think Qui-Gon's voice was there to show us that Anakin's pain was felt so strongly through the Force that not only did Yoda sense it on Coruscant, but Qui-Gon came back from the dead (OK, sort of).
I go back and forth as to whether Anakin would have turned if Qui-Gon would have lived, and to me it comes down to whether Qui-Gon would have given him the fatherly attention and affection that he so desperately craved, and whether he felt that Qui-Gon loved him unconditionally. If so, he might not have turned to Palpatine.
But we don't know how Qui-Gon would have trained Anakin, other than the fact that if there were a conflict between what Qui-Gon thought was best for Anakin and what the Council thought was best for Anakin, Qui-Gon would not defer to the Council.
I think Anakin heard him. I mean, it's possible it was just a desperate cry from Qui-Gon to no one in particular, but I don't think so.
It could be compared to "Run Luke, run!"
Maybe, but I don't think so personally. What leads me to believe this is that it is Yoda in ROTS who makes contact with Qui-Gon. That and the fact that we don't actually hear Qui-Gon's voice when Anakin is onscreen, only when Yoda is probing the Force.
Also, it would just seem odd to me that Anakin would never bring it up. I mean, he heard a dead man's voice and doesn't even acknowledge it? That seems a bit bizarre (or even unhealthy) to me. Luke, at least, repeatedly hears Obi-Wan's voice in ANH and we're given indication that he is actually hearing it.
Maybe he thought it was his subconscious telling him to stop? And thought nothing, or forgot, of it afterwards.
anakin was important to anakin because he thought of no one else, maybe on the outside he did, but inside it was all about him.
And the question was about Qui-Gon or Obi-Wan anyway. Anakin thinking about himself wasn't one of the options.
so? it was an opinion....
so? it was an opinion...
I think you have to watch the prequels again..
I always assumed Luke heard that? Same goes for "use the force Luke" at the end of the movie. Isn't this why Luke switches off the transmitter?
I think in the end, Obi Wan mattered more to Anakin simply due to the longer relationship.