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Why didnt Luke return to Yoda right after ESB to finish his training?

Discussion in 'The Movies' started by Joe_Garelli, Jun 19, 2012.

  1. Darth Venger Jedi Master

    I forgot to mention my point. So anyway, Luke not needing any more physical training and overcoming Vader's mental lure to the darkside was enough to convince Yoda that he was ready for his trials, which was to confront Vader again and this time defeat him.
  2. DRush76 Jedi Master


    Why did it take so long for them to save Han? Surely they knew that Boba Fett was delivering him to Jabba the Hutt.

    And I have to agree with Joe Garelli. It made no sense for Luke not to return to Yoda in order to finish his training. Instead, he spent six months to a year using Obi-Wan's manual to finish his training. Which is a very unwise method for the kind of training that Luke needed. In fact, this whole storyline regarding Luke's training from the end of ESB to his reunion with Yoda in ROTJ smacks of sloppy writing.
  3. Alexrd Jedi Master

    If he had returned to Dagobah between TESB and RotJ, why did he only ask Yoda about Vader's claim to be his father in RotJ? Why did he ask to complete his training if he went there before?

    Maybe, but there is no indication in the movie to assume that.

    This whole situation is similar to how Luke suddenly learned to use the Force at the beginning of TESB. One could assume that he received teachings from Ben, but if he did, why did he sound so surprised to see Ben's apparition?
  4. Bad Wolf Jedi Master

    I know that in Allegiance Ben is still communicating with Luke and teaching him to use the Force, perhaps, he received a lot more training then is stated. It would explain how he suddenly got more powerful, plus with Darth Vader there is always the possibility that he wanted to loose the battle or at least not kill his son.
  5. Charlie Jedi Grand Master

    This scene was made dumb by the Prequels.

    When we saw that Jedi were trained since birth and only became Jedi Knights at ~20+ years. Luke becoming a Jedi Knight after only a few hours of training with Obi-wan and a few weeks with Yoda became a little ridiculous.

    Also, the rate that Luke's power increases is insane, even for someone with his potential level. After 10 years of training Anakin Skywalker (the Chosen One, more midis than anyone ever) was still weak comparatively. So it makes less sense that Yoda or Ben expected Luke to stand a chance against Vader or the Emperor, considering Anakin circa Aotc was nothing compared to these two Sith.
  6. Arawn Fenn Force Ghost

    Anakin circa ROTS was nothing compared to Vader?
  7. Sistros SWC Chancellor


    I always thought ROTS Anakin would cream suited vader

    ot vader could hardly move
  8. Charlie Jedi Grand Master

    Sorry my mistake, I mean Aotc. Fixed it.
  9. Charlie Jedi Grand Master

    His mobility and thus his lightsaber combat ability decreased significantly. But force wise, Vader could stomp Anakin in Rots.
  10. Sistros SWC Chancellor

    eh I dunno

    I don't see anything OT Vader doing anything ROTS Vader didn't
  11. Arawn Fenn Force Ghost

    I guess it stands to reason that OT Vader had more experience and thus his command of the Force should have increased in that sense. But he's less agile.
  12. Charlie Jedi Grand Master

    Yup, 20+ years of study of the Dark Side under the most powerful Sith Lord ever has its strength benefits.
  13. DRush76 Jedi Master


    This was probably written to make up for the faux pas in Luke's failure to return to Dagobah. And if Ben was still able to communicate with Luke and teach him to use the Force, why on earth did he bother to recommend Yoda to Luke in the first place?
  14. Arawn Fenn Force Ghost

    Vader even says in ANH that he's now the "master", but some take that as boasting.
  15. Samuel Vimes Jedi Master

    To me it does not seem that all that much time has passed between ESB and RotJ.

    At the end of ESB Lando and Chewie are going to Tatooine and Luke said he'd meet them there and then they would rescue Han.
    Then RotJ starts with them all being on Tatooine and the rescue of Han begins.
    Yes Luke has made a new lightsaber but overall it seems like only a couple of weeks has passed, a month at most.

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  16. DRush76 Jedi Master


    Not bloody likely. According to the novelization of "RETURN OF THE JEDI", six months had passed since the end of "THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK".

    According to Wookiepedia, one year had passed between the two movies.
  17. If he had to leave when his training was incomplete (is his mind) to rescue Han then obviously he would come back and ask Yoda to help him finish it. I can't seriously believe he trained himself to the level he was at ROTJ, if he didn't need Masters to help him why even go and see Yoda in the first place?
    Seems obvious to me he went back to Dagobah after ESB, got more training and then left to aid Han's rescue before going back to Dagobah again.
  18. Alexrd Jedi Master

    Again, the movie implies otherwise. If he went there after TESB and before RotJ, why didn't he ask about Vader being his father? And why didn't he stay and finished his training instead of leaving again?
  19. Because he had to rescue Han.
    Vaer was unimportant before rescuing Han, he had lots of time as far as he knew to ask Yoda about his father. But when he found out Yoda was dying he knew it was his last chance to ask the question to him. Obi Wan then showed up and he got to question him too.

    The film does suggest otherwise to a certain extent, but to me him training with Yoda more after ESB makes far more sense then him training himself.
  20. Alexrd Jedi Master

    So he did, that's why he didn't return to Dagobah after TESB.

    But according to you, Han was not as important as his Jedi training, for him to return to Dagobah before RotJ. And really, if he had return to Dagobah before RotJ, asking about Vader wouldn't hurt anything and would make sense since it was a big revelation to him.

    I'm not saying that it makes sense as it is. After all, the movies never explain how he learned to use the Force as seen at the beginning of TESB, nor how he learned to construct a new lightsaber as seen in RotJ.

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