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Darth_AYBABTU Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 5/17/04 9:18am Subject: RE: Abdel-Zahraa Othman, also known as Izzadine Saleem, has been assassinated.
	just like the puppet we have in Jordan who we even sent to Oxford to get educated We also sent him to Paramount Studios in California so he could be a walk-on on Star Trek Voyager, no doubt in exchange for his commitment not to try to push Israel into the sea. AYBABTU
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DarthPills Registered: Mar '03	Date Posted: 5/17/04 9:22am Subject: RE: Abdel-Zahraa Othman, also known as Izzadine Saleem, has been assassinated. - Date Edited: 5/17/04 9:23am (1 edits total) Edited By: DarthPills
	AYBABTU, Nice acronym by the way, it takes me back to the old days. AYBABTU, a question for you. Do you believe that the Shiites in Iraq will not form an alliance with Iran and band against us once we leave and they vote there people in power? I really want to see you answer this with a "No" and give me an explanation for why they won't. For those of you who don't have the patience to go through this entire exercise, the point we are getting to is that the US is going no where. We will be in Iraq for at least another 40-50 years. Your President cannot tell you this in an election year.
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dp4m Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 5/17/04 9:30am Subject: RE: Abdel-Zahraa Othman, also known as Izzadine Saleem, has been assassinated.
	The so called United States Government has often tried what is know as "Nation Building". Would either of you two gentleman care to go into how successful that has been? Haiti, Vietnam, Afghanistan (whose Opium production is now higher than ever before thanks to the US occupation, hmmm?), and now Iraq. Weren't Haiti and Vietnam under Democratic presidential watches? You also forgot Cuba! (also Democratic) NOTE: Eisenhower in 1955 actually was responsible for the creation of the ARVN, but Kennedy increased the US "advisers" to the ARVN from 800 to 16,700 during his time in office. And the coup in Vietnam actually occurred very shortly before Kennedy's death, while he was still POTUS. -----signature----- "Looks like you're about to get pwned" - Eric Cartman "Awarding experience points for cleverly and creatively generating an enjoyable experience. How warped is that?" - Darths & Droids
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Mr44 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 5/17/04 9:32am Subject: RE: Abdel-Zahraa Othman, also known as Izzadine Saleem, has been assassinated.
	What will happen to the Sunni's when we leave if the Shiite's are in power? Just your opinion. What is happening to the minority Croats and Muslims in the Balkans after the ethnic clashes with the Serbs there? Mass genocide is rather hard to undertake when the eyes of the international community are upon you. Is it perfect? No.. Did it happen overnight? no.. First of all, Iran is Persian, and bases its customs and traditions further East. Iran's language is Farsi, not Arabic. Iraq is Arab, and takes Arabic as its language and customs. More importantly, even though both have a Shia majority, they both subscribe to different sects. The majority in Iran practice Jafari-Shia Islam. In Iraq, the Shiites believe in Ismailis-Shia Islam. What you are suggesting is like saying that the Catholic Church and the Church of England would merge, simply because they are both Christian. It's not going to happen without a major overhaul of beliefs. -----signature----- When you enter a room full of armed men, shoot the first person who makes a move- hostile or otherwise He has started to think and is therefore dangerous... -- Colonel "Paddy" Mayne, co-founder of the SAS
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Darth_OlsenTwins Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 5/17/04 9:33am Subject: RE: Abdel-Zahraa Othman, also known as Izzadine Saleem, has been assassinated.
	Do you believe that the Shiites in Iraq will not form an alliance with Iran and band against us once we leave and they vote there people in power? Right, because the mullahs' power in Iran is so rock solid right now. -----signature----- I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.
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Darth_AYBABTU Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 5/17/04 9:34am Subject: RE: Abdel-Zahraa Othman, also known as Izzadine Saleem, has been assassinated.
	I don't really know what the heck Mr44 is talking about, but I'm pretty sure he just owned your face, Pills. AYBABTU
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DarthPills Registered: Mar '03	Date Posted: 5/17/04 9:36am Subject: RE: Abdel-Zahraa Othman, also known as Izzadine Saleem, has been assassinated. - Date Edited: 5/17/04 9:36am (1 edits total) Edited By: DarthPills
	It's not going to happen without a major overhaul of beliefs. Or perhaps a common enemy?
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Mr44 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 5/17/04 9:40am Subject: RE: Abdel-Zahraa Othman, also known as Izzadine Saleem, has been assassinated.
	Or perhaps a common enemy? If it suits your, or the Shadow Government's purpose, have at it. I guess we can expect the next round of "fire from the sky" to start anytime now? -----signature----- When you enter a room full of armed men, shoot the first person who makes a move- hostile or otherwise He has started to think and is therefore dangerous... -- Colonel "Paddy" Mayne, co-founder of the SAS
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OGOneKenobi69 Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 5/17/04 9:42am Subject: RE: Abdel-Zahraa Othman, also known as Izzadine Saleem, has been assassinated.
	Well, why don't the lot of you republican-(I can't possibly go wrong) people go run to the circle jerk circle. -----signature----- I sit home and make flower bouquets and listen to Joni Mitchell Action figure-http://apotheosis.tv/files/OGOnefig.jpg Just the thought of all that raw power makes me wonder why the hell I should give a damn, -Sideshow Bob-
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DarthPills Registered: Mar '03	Date Posted: 5/17/04 9:42am Subject: RE: Abdel-Zahraa Othman, also known as Izzadine Saleem, has been assassinated.
	Weren't Haiti and Vietnam under Democratic presidential watches When did I say I was a Liberal The Green Party is the only Political Organization in The United States that represents people's beliefs, the Republicans and Democrats are impossible for me to tell apart and they always have been. Most of them go to Yale together and then take turns ruling the land. When I look at Kerry and Bush I see the same man. The point here is that we will not be able to leave Iraq anytime soon, it would destabilize and de-evolve almost instantly. The Shiites would immediately seize power, wipe out the Sunni's, and then war with the Kurds for final power of the land. As to Mr44's point, I guess it is impossible to believe that Iranians and Iraq's could unite to fight off Westernization, I mean we have never seen a country with Catholics, Christians, Muslims, and Jewish unite together before to fight off a German threat correct? Oh woops, that was here in the good old US.
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Darth_AYBABTU Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 5/17/04 9:46am Subject: RE: Abdel-Zahraa Othman, also known as Izzadine Saleem, has been assassinated. - Date Edited: 5/17/04 9:47am (1 edits total) Edited By: Darth_AYBABTU
	"When did I say I was a Liberal The Green Party is the only Political Organization in The United States that represents people's beliefs" Did you just say that you aren't a liberal, but you support the Green Party? You know "liberal" is a philosophy and not a party, right? All you've really established is that you're more liberal than the Democratic Party. "Well, why don't the lot of you republican-(I can't possibly go wrong) people go run to the circle jerk circle." You're the one that ****** up the entire issue of the Iraqi government. Don't get all pissed off just because we clearly know so much more about this than you do. Instead of getting mad, why don't you read a newspaper before you start spouting off about stuff that's obviously over your head? AYBABTU
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Mr44 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 5/17/04 9:48am Subject: RE: Abdel-Zahraa Othman, also known as Izzadine Saleem, has been assassinated.
	I mean we have never seen a country with Catholics, Christians, Muslims, and Jewish unite together before to fight off a German threat correct? Oh woops, that was here in the good old US. So, which one those was the US's offical state religion? -----signature----- When you enter a room full of armed men, shoot the first person who makes a move- hostile or otherwise He has started to think and is therefore dangerous... -- Colonel "Paddy" Mayne, co-founder of the SAS
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dp4m Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 5/17/04 9:49am Subject: RE: Abdel-Zahraa Othman, also known as Izzadine Saleem, has been assassinated. - Date Edited: 5/17/04 9:52am (1 edits total) Edited By: dp4m
	Did you just say that you aren't a liberal, but you support the Green Party? You know "liberal" is a philosophy and not a party, right? To be fair: where I live it is. EDIT: As to Mr44's point, I guess it is impossible to believe that Iranians and Iraq's could unite to fight off Westernization, I mean we have never seen a country with Catholics, Christians, Muslims, and Jewish unite together before to fight off a German threat correct? Oh woops, that was here in the good old US. Yes, but you do realize that one (Westernization) is ostensibly about FREEDOM of choice, and the other (Nazism) is about totalitarianism, right? -----signature----- "Looks like you're about to get pwned" - Eric Cartman "Awarding experience points for cleverly and creatively generating an enjoyable experience. How warped is that?" - Darths & Droids
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DarthPhelps Registered: Jan '02	Date Posted: 5/17/04 9:52am Subject: RE: Abdel-Zahraa Othman, also known as Izzadine Saleem, has been assassinated.
	The Green Party is the only Political Organization in The United States that represents people's beliefs So they support abortion rights and right to life? They have the support of NRA and are opposed by the NRA? They support tax reduction and increases? More governmental programs and fewer? etc. How can they possibly represent an entire people's beliefs? -----signature----- This space for rent.
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DarthPills Registered: Mar '03	Date Posted: 5/17/04 9:55am Subject: RE: Abdel-Zahraa Othman, also known as Izzadine Saleem, has been assassinated.
	So, which one those was the US's official state religion? That's the best you can come back with? My friend, you are a smart enough man to know what I am getting at, if you just want to debate endlessly that's fine but I don't have the time. My point is made. The Green Party is far from being "Liberal", that is what the Conservatives want to think everything is that is not Conservative. You try to establish a link between the Green Party and the Democrats when you ignore that the Republicans and the Democrats are in the same party for all intensive purposes. Our country is now like a giant corporation with no regard for human life, only profit. The presidency is really just a contest between the two biggest fish for the CEO position, nothing will change as long as this is the way it goes. The last great President we had was Nixon, especially on the International front. Of course the Liberals persecuted him in one of the most obvious political frame jobs ever in the history of this country.
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