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LeeKenobi Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 10/2/06 10:12am Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
	harpuah posted: Wow... that was just a little ignorant... and rediculous.. Have you ever seen anyone attempting come off of an antidepressant? Trust me, it ain't pretty. Mood swings are common--outbursts of anger, happiness, tears....its a royal mess. Now imagine if someone already had a screwed up life, was taking antidepressants, and then had decided to do something about it. That would be Eric Harris. In the months before the Columbine massacre, Harris had been relying on Luvox to keep him sane. Unfortunately, his dream of joining the Marine Corps was shattered when they didn't accept him because of the Luvox. After they recovered Harris' body, toxicology reports came back clear---no Luvox in his system at all. And given what I've actually experienced with someone swearing off Welbutrin which included be being punched, kicked, and bitten in the shoulder (which actually broke the skin, mind you) from a NONVIOLENT person....yeah I think I'm justified in blaming the antidepressants. Not just at Columbine either. There's a whole slough of them.
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harpuah Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 10/2/06 10:16am Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
	The person who shot and killed the teenage girl in Baily Colorado was not a teenage boy with hippie parents.. He was a middle aged man. -----signature----- "Si vas a acabar matándome en un ritual vudú y despues a violar mi cadáver, por lo menos guarda mi cabeza en un frasco como recuerdo."
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Lord Mauly Mall Title: TFN/JC Banner Artist Team Registered: Oct '99	Date Posted: 10/2/06 10:17am Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
	I think the evolution of violence in the public school system is the same as the evolution of violence on the streets. Back in the days(40's and 50's) it was mostly fists, then knives(60's and 70's) and eventually guns came into play(80's - present). So the school system is just slow in catching up to the level of violence the streets have pretty much been always known for. -----signature----- ¤TheForce.net staff http://www.myspace.com/benovite http://www.youtube.com/user/Benovite ¤ The irony was not lost on him.
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Darth-Horax Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 10/2/06 10:18am Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
	Middle aged hippie... -----signature----- CREATOR and ORIGINATOR of the Jedi Draft Series Founding High Councilman: SWC Jedi Trials Council Master of Vaapad (Form VII), Form I, and Form III Proud founding member of the Fecal Force Sir Trailer Link-Sarcasm Knights of the YJCC
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Warrior_of_Mandalore Registered: Aug '03	Date Posted: 10/2/06 10:19am Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
	LeeKenobi, I completely agree with you...but keep in mind that we're talking about an Amish school here. Warrior_of_Mandalore Strikes Again! -----signature----- Long Live the Hoojibs
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Darth-Horax Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 10/2/06 10:24am Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
	We dont' even know if the shooter was a kid or adult back in Lancaster, PA. I think if it's an outsider, it's terrible. I mean, the Amish don't hurt anybody. They just midn their own business. Right Ish? -----signature----- CREATOR and ORIGINATOR of the Jedi Draft Series Founding High Councilman: SWC Jedi Trials Council Master of Vaapad (Form VII), Form I, and Form III Proud founding member of the Fecal Force Sir Trailer Link-Sarcasm Knights of the YJCC
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Ludo_Kressh Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 10/2/06 10:28am Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
	If this can happen in an Amish community, it can happen anywhere...I live in southcentral PA and this is crazy...and last year, someone shot his estranged wife in front of an elementary school not less than 5 miles from my house and my family knew the victim, so this is just insane...of course my prayers go to the families of those lost. -----signature----- ~hopeless member of the Official General Grievous fanclub~ VP of the Chewie and Han fanclub Be thankful, Viceroy...you have not found yourself in my grip! Everybody quiet! I have a call to make...
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KnightWriter Title: Administrator Emeritus Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 10/2/06 10:29am Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania - Date Edited: 10/2/06 10:31am (1 edits total) Edited By: KnightWriter
	Lee, i'd be interested to see how you handled having a son or daughter with manic depression, a disorder that requires medication to effectively treat (due to its biological origin). And given what I've actually experienced with someone swearing off Welbutrin which included be being punched, kicked, and bitten in the shoulder (which actually broke the skin, mind you) from a NONVIOLENT person....yeah I think I'm justified in blaming the antidepressants. that's selective reinforcement. if 99 out of 100 people had little or no problems with it, you'd still remember the one who did, as it's more memorable. -----signature----- Opposing Scrooge Economics since 2009
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LeeKenobi Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 10/2/06 10:31am Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania - Date Edited: 10/2/06 10:33am (1 edits total) Edited By: LeeKenobi
	harpuah posted: The person who shot and killed the teenage girl in Baily Colorado was not a teenage boy with hippie parents.. He was a middle aged man. It all starts somewhere.
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ApolloSmileGirl Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 10/2/06 10:44am Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
	malkieD2 posted: harpuah posted: Wow... that was just a little ignorant... and rediculous.. But his point is accurate - parents these days tend to look for a biological excuse for their misbehaving children, rather than attempt to 'parent' their children. I think about half the kids with ADHD just have poor parents. I think ADHD is a copout in most cases, you tell kids that things aren't their fault for so long, and they start thinking that they don't need to try because they're special. Now, I know there are kids that generally have learning disabilities(they have to work twice as hard to succeed in academics, and many of them do), but it seems like it's become the popular thing for authorities to just say "aw, they have ADD or ADHD, let's just pump them full of drugs". I don't neccesarily agree with corporal punishment, but if the parents aren't going to take charge at home(and I mean that as plain paying attention to their kids, as well as administering proper punishment), than somebody should. True that there was always violence in urban schools(that nobody seemed to care about, even to some extent in modern times), but the current trend of taking a full out arsenal of weapons including automatic guns, assault rifles, bombs, etc., designed to take out as many people as possible, has gotten increasingly disturbing. -----signature----- Queen " Baadasssss Pixie" of the Knights of the Sarcasm Table well, I don't know about you, but i'm going to homerun three strikes to the second base ~Daveeeeed~ Vin
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ShrunkenJedi Title: SFFBC banner maker Registered: Apr '03	Date Posted: 10/2/06 10:47am Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
	If there are problems with antidepressants, don't you think that's least in certain part a failure of doctors/psychiatrists/medicine not giving the right advice, and not just parents? They're the ones who are supposed to approve it and decide if it's necessary, and discuss what should be done if it's not necessary. As well as having follow-up visits and saying what to look for if the medicine they prescribed is having unintended side effects. A parent can become concerned and take their child in but not know what's really wrong, trusting the doctor to make the judgment. A doctor is the one making the diagnosis and prescribing the pills. -----signature----- Fanficcer and Fanartist: Check the profile! (or below) My Fanfic Index: http://boards.theforce.net/fan_fiction_resource/b10304/25405090/r30292337/
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harpuah Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 10/2/06 10:56am Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
	LeeKenobi posted: harpuah posted: The person who shot and killed the teenage girl in Baily Colorado was not a teenage boy with hippie parents.. He was a middle aged man. It all starts somewhere. Yes, but you can't blame his actions on antidepressants, possibly his parents, but none of us actually know his parents. Somewhere he has to be responsible for his actions. The antidepressants found in his jeep did not shoot and kill that teenage girl. I'll add that I fully agree that parents do need to pay more attention to their children. I do not support the notion of generalizing a child's problems. I don't agree with the act of lumping them into an "ADD" catigory. I don't believe in pumping your children full of drugs. Of course, there are certain cases... as KW mentioned. We live in a day and age where parents will let the television raise their children for them. Kids aren't getting the attention they need. I just don't understand the need to immediately place blame. We always have to find somebody to blame.. -----signature----- "Si vas a acabar matándome en un ritual vudú y despues a violar mi cadáver, por lo menos guarda mi cabeza en un frasco como recuerdo."
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Darth-Lando Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 10/2/06 11:01am Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
	harpuah posted: LeeKenobi posted: harpuah posted: The person who shot and killed the teenage girl in Baily Colorado was not a teenage boy with hippie parents.. He was a middle aged man. It all starts somewhere. Yes, but you can't blame his actions on antidepressants, possibly his parents, but none of us actually know his parents. Somewhere he has to be responsible for his actions. The antidepressants found in his jeep did not shoot and kill that teenage girl. I'll add that I fully agree that parents do need to pay more attention to their children. I do not support the notion of generalizing a child's problems. I don't agree with the act of lumping them into an "ADD" catigory. I don't believe in pumping your children full of drugs. Of course, there are certain cases... as KW mentioned. We live in a day and age where parents will let the television raise their children for them. Kids aren't getting the attention they need. I just don't understand the need to immediately place blame. We always have to find somebody to blame.. The only person who should be blamed in these incidents is the person who pulled the trigger. I don't care what kind of childhood issues someone had or what medication they were on. If you kill someone, it's YOUR fault, no one elses. -----signature----- "A delayed game is eventually good, a rushed game is bad forever." - Shigeru Miyamoto San Jose Sharks:12-4-2 Defending President's Trophy Winners
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KnightWriter Title: Administrator Emeritus Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 10/2/06 11:04am Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania - Date Edited: 10/2/06 11:05am (1 edits total) Edited By: KnightWriter
	If you kill someone, it's YOUR fault, no one elses. the law often disagrees with you (fortunately). certain circumstances, such as mental illness or adverse reaction to medication, can affect how things proceed legally. -----signature----- Opposing Scrooge Economics since 2009
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rhonderoo Title: Former Head Admin Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 10/2/06 11:20am Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
	I'm sorry, are we saying we didn't report violence in the sixties, seventies and eighties? Because that seems to be what you're saying. I'm pretty sure that school shootings would have been in the news. -----signature----- DT421 FYI: You don't deal with me. I deal with you. Damned right the Jedi's fire has gone out of the universe. I was the bad-ass Class C extinguisher who snuffed them. - @darthvader (Darth Vader on Twitter)
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