Author Topic: school shooting in pennsylvania
sidious618 
Registered: Apr '03
8059_Qui-Gon Jinn
Date Posted: 10/2/06 11:59am Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania - Date Edited: 10/2/06 12:01pm (1 edits total) Edited By: sidious618
LeeKenobi posted:


I blame the hippies mind-set where parents pump their kids full of mood-altering drugs if they have a bad day or act out of line instead of trying to find out the source of the problem.

Hell, if your kid is acting up, forget Ritalin. Just use good old American leather.




Of course you blame the hippies. It's the only excuse you can use without blaming the gun.

There has always been violence, but not quite on this scale.

Please, please, go do some research.

 

-----signature-----
But in purple, I'm stunning!- Londo Mollari, Babylon 5
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
harpuah 
Registered: Mar '05
8040_Natalie's Eye
Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:00pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
KnightWriter posted:
I guess my point from earlier was that Kent University was a BIG thing back in the past

kent state was not a school shooting. kent state students were simply shot by national guardsmen.



What is the difference?

It was shooting that happened at a school...

school shooting..

Which is neither here nor there..

It was an unnecessary act of violence.

 

-----signature-----
"If you end up killing me in a voodoo ritual then raping my corpse, please at least keep my pickled head in a jar as a memento."
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
rhonderoo 
Title: Former Head Admin
Big Brother 5

Registered: Aug '02
23966_Natalie Portman
Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:01pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
KnightWriter posted:
I guess my point from earlier was that Kent University was a BIG thing back in the past

kent state was not a school shooting. kent state students were simply shot by national guardsmen.


Right, but it was violence of a bigger scale on a school campus.


I think you've hit the nail on the head, Horax. It seems that it's with younger kids these days.

 

-----signature-----
DT421 love
FYI: You don't deal with me. I deal with you.
Damned right the Jedi's fire has gone out of the universe. I was the bad-ass Class C extinguisher who snuffed them.
- @darthvader (Darth Vader on Twitter)
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Darth-Horax 
Registered: Aug '01
6962_Communications<br>Officer
Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:05pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
That's cause younger kids are messed up.

Their parents are not around or do not care as much. A lot of it has to do with the economy. My father was able to work while my mom stayed at home. She was always on top of what was going down in our lives.

However, with inflation that has led to the rising of costs of living growing faster than wages, the American public now has to depend on 2 incomes where one used to suffice.

Wiht both parents out of the home, it's harder for adults to teach their children basic principles of life. This leads to misled children who use MTV's Jackass and VH1 as their main source of parentage.

It leads to messed up children, and it's quite sad.

Note that this is a generalization, and not the TOTAL reason these things happen, but it is a factor that cannot be ignored.

 

-----signature-----
CREATOR and ORIGINATOR of the Jedi Draft Series
Founding High Councilman: SWC Jedi Trials Council
Master of Vaapad (Form VII), Form I, and Form III
Proud founding member of the Fecal Force
*Sir Trailer Link*-Sarcasm Knights of the YJCC
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
sidious618 
Registered: Apr '03
8059_Qui-Gon Jinn
Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:07pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
This leads to misled children who use MTV's Jackass and VH1 as their main source of parentage.

raised_brow

Oh, c'mon. No one is being brought up by those television shows. Granted, the media does have an effect on our lives but you can't blame violence on MTV no matter how hard you try.

 

-----signature-----
But in purple, I'm stunning!- Londo Mollari, Babylon 5
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
harpuah 
Registered: Mar '05
8040_Natalie's Eye
Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:09pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania

Why not? You blame the "goth cults"


tongue

 

-----signature-----
"If you end up killing me in a voodoo ritual then raping my corpse, please at least keep my pickled head in a jar as a memento."
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Darth-Horax 
Registered: Aug '01
6962_Communications<br>Officer
Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:09pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
sidious618 posted:
This leads to misled children who use MTV's Jackass and VH1 as their main source of parentage.

raised_brow

Oh, c'mon. No one is being brought up by those television shows. Granted, the media does have an effect on our lives but you can't blame violence on MTV no matter how hard you try.


You totally misunderstood my post.

I'm saying that the absence of parents in the home has led to TV as being a main source of entertainment and teaching for children, which in turn leads to things SUCH as violence.

I'm not saying that MTV causes violence, hemmorhoids, or even AIDS. If this is what you got from my post, then it was totally misread.

 

-----signature-----
CREATOR and ORIGINATOR of the Jedi Draft Series
Founding High Councilman: SWC Jedi Trials Council
Master of Vaapad (Form VII), Form I, and Form III
Proud founding member of the Fecal Force
*Sir Trailer Link*-Sarcasm Knights of the YJCC
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
rhonderoo 
Title: Former Head Admin
Big Brother 5

Registered: Aug '02
23966_Natalie Portman
Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:10pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
Those damn goth cults. tongue

 

-----signature-----
DT421 love
FYI: You don't deal with me. I deal with you.
Damned right the Jedi's fire has gone out of the universe. I was the bad-ass Class C extinguisher who snuffed them.
- @darthvader (Darth Vader on Twitter)
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Darth-Horax 
Registered: Aug '01
6962_Communications<br>Officer
Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:11pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
What we have to understand is that kids NEED direction. They cannot raise themselves, no matter what society wants to tell us.

I am responsible for my children's upbringing and nobody else. If I shirt that responsibility, and the kid becomes a detriment to society, I should point the finger directly towards myself for failing him as a parent.

It comes down to people who dont' take repsonsibility for their actions.

 

-----signature-----
CREATOR and ORIGINATOR of the Jedi Draft Series
Founding High Councilman: SWC Jedi Trials Council
Master of Vaapad (Form VII), Form I, and Form III
Proud founding member of the Fecal Force
*Sir Trailer Link*-Sarcasm Knights of the YJCC
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Everton 
Title: Ex-Manager
Registered: Jul '03
24209_Coruscant Guard
Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:12pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
Darth-Horax posted:
It comes down to people who dont' take repsonsibility for their actions.
QFT. QFT. QFT. QFT.

Balanced parenting is increasingly scarce.

 

Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
sidious618 
Registered: Apr '03
8059_Qui-Gon Jinn
Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:13pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania - Date Edited: 10/2/06 12:14pm (1 edits total) Edited By: sidious618
You totally misunderstood my post.

I'm saying that the absence of parents in the home has led to TV as being a main source of entertainment and teaching for children, which in turn leads to things SUCH as violence.

I'm not saying that MTV causes violence, hemmorhoids, or even AIDS. If this is what you got from my post, then it was totally misread.


TV is the main source of entertainment for most of us but I don't think anybody, even an idiot, looks to MTV or VH1 for life lessons.

I think that our world is now more in tune to the violence than it was before so it looks like we're living in anarchy but it's really not as bad as it looks.

Edit: However, I do agree that we need better parenting.

 

-----signature-----
But in purple, I'm stunning!- Londo Mollari, Babylon 5
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
ZebulaNebula 
Registered: Feb '05
45726_JC Caricature
Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:14pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
Everton posted:
We can't run our society, and decide upon the boundaries for the vast vast vast vast majority, on the basis that a violent TV show or video game might provoke lunatic action from one individual. Seperation of art and real life is something that 99.9% of the population can do without a second thought. The one madman who can't do that has to be identified before they can act out their fantasies, not catered to by a blander than bland world of entertainment.


I wasn't implying that people can't seperate art from reality - I WAS saying that we're becoming desensitized to bloodshed and violence, and that for so much of our 'art' to glorify violence is not a good thing.

 

-----signature-----
I Jedi mind-trick pushy salespeople ...
"You do not want to sell me jewelry/beauy products/shades/whatever."
They can take our lives, but they will never take our FREEDOM!
Feeling down? Have a mint.
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
JediKnight-Obi-Wan 
Registered: Jan '00
40099_Twilek
Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:14pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
The Cure

grin

 

-----signature-----
"The course of true love never did run
smooth"---A Midsummer Night's Dream
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Darth-Horax 
Registered: Aug '01
6962_Communications<br>Officer
Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:15pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
sidious618 posted:
You totally misunderstood my post.

I'm saying that the absence of parents in the home has led to TV as being a main source of entertainment and teaching for children, which in turn leads to things SUCH as violence.

I'm not saying that MTV causes violence, hemmorhoids, or even AIDS. If this is what you got from my post, then it was totally misread.


TV is the main source of entertainment for most of us but I don't think anybody, even an idiot, looks to MTV or VH1 for life lessons.

I think that our world is now more in tune to the violence than it was before so it looks like we're living in anarchy but it's really not as bad as it looks.


It's not as bas as it looks? Tell that to the parents of those slaughtered at Columbine.
you'd be surprised at how many kids DO treat TV as real life. My wife is a 3rd grade teacher, and she deals with these kids that have no parents in the home on a regular basis. I'm always hearing stories of how these kids reference reality shows and tv as sources as to why things are happening in their lives.

It's quite sad.

 

-----signature-----
CREATOR and ORIGINATOR of the Jedi Draft Series
Founding High Councilman: SWC Jedi Trials Council
Master of Vaapad (Form VII), Form I, and Form III
Proud founding member of the Fecal Force
*Sir Trailer Link*-Sarcasm Knights of the YJCC
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Suzuki_Akira 
Title: New Big Brother 5 Player
Registered: May '03
46468_Welcome New Users
Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:16pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
rhonderoo posted:
I'm sorry, are we saying we didn't report violence in the sixties, seventies and eighties? Because that seems to be what you're saying. I'm pretty sure that school shootings would have been in the news. confused




Bath School Disaster. Death toll far above any school shooting of this time period. Full scale bombing, no wimpy pistols. Not widely reported in the news. Date?







1927. Ctrl+F Bath School Disaster

 

-----signature-----
God is great, the Lord of all. "I find your lack of faith disturbing..."
Those who dare oppose us will stand knee deep in the blood of their children.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=158008483
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History