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Everton  44000 posts
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Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:16pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania - Date Edited: 10/2/06 12:18pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Everton
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We can't run our society, and decide upon the boundaries for the vast vast vast vast majority, on the basis that a violent TV show or video game might provoke lunatic action from one individual. Seperation of art and real life is something that 99.9% of the population can do without a second thought. The one madman who can't do that has to be identified before they can act out their fantasies, not catered to by a blander than bland world of entertainment.


I wasn't implying that people can't seperate art from reality - I WAS saying that we're becoming desensitized to bloodshed and violence, and that for so much of our 'art' to glorify violence is not a good thing.
But it still requires someone to fail to tell the difference, fail to make that seperation, for them to go through with a shooting such as the one's we keep hearing about. They are used to it, it is commonplace, and eventually it ceases to be false. I would say I'm fairly desensitised to violent images on television, but that doesn't mean I see the next step as some lunatic shooting. No, it takes a failure of mind to see such actions through.

 

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sidious618  11601 posts
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Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:17pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
It's not as bas as it looks? Tell that to the parents of those slaughtered at Columbine.
you'd be surprised at how many kids DO treat TV as real life. My wife is a 3rd grade teacher, and she deals with these kids that have no parents in the home on a regular basis. I'm always hearing stories of how these kids reference reality shows and tv as sources as to why things are happening in their lives.

It's quite sad.


Well you're saying that violence has been growing. Tell that to the black people who were hosed down in the streets.

The answer is this: the media has learned that bad news= good ratings. So now every murder, rape and death is flashed across the television screen. In reality there isn't any more violence than before.

 

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ZebulaNebula  8770 posts
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Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:26pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania - Date Edited: 10/2/06 12:27pm (1 edits total) Edited By: ZebulaNebula
Everton posted:
ZebulaNebula posted:
Everton posted:
We can't run our society, and decide upon the boundaries for the vast vast vast vast majority, on the basis that a violent TV show or video game might provoke lunatic action from one individual. Seperation of art and real life is something that 99.9% of the population can do without a second thought. The one madman who can't do that has to be identified before they can act out their fantasies, not catered to by a blander than bland world of entertainment.


I wasn't implying that people can't seperate art from reality - I WAS saying that we're becoming desensitized to bloodshed and violence, and that for so much of our 'art' to glorify violence is not a good thing.
But it still requires someone to fail to tell the difference, fail to make that seperation, for them to go through with a shooting such as the one's we keep hearing about. They are used to it, it is commonplace, and eventually it ceases to be false. I would say I'm fairly desensitised to violent images on television, but that doesn't mean I see the next step as some lunatic shooting. No, it takes a failure of mind to see such actions through.
True, but most people do see art as a mirror for the world. They know that the art is not real, but they also inherently expect some truth in it, some meaning. I was pointing to that mirror image effect earlier.

Edit: clarification.

 

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Darth-Horax  12362 posts
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Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:29pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
sidious618 posted:
It's not as bas as it looks? Tell that to the parents of those slaughtered at Columbine.
you'd be surprised at how many kids DO treat TV as real life. My wife is a 3rd grade teacher, and she deals with these kids that have no parents in the home on a regular basis. I'm always hearing stories of how these kids reference reality shows and tv as sources as to why things are happening in their lives.

It's quite sad.


Well you're saying that violence has been growing. Tell that to the black people who were hosed down in the streets.

The answer is this: the media has learned that bad news= good ratings. So now every murder, rape and death is flashed across the television screen. In reality there isn't any more violence than before.


I thought we were discussing violence in schools, not in general. True things like you mentioned happened, and worse things happened in the Medieval times, but I was referencing violence in schools.

Suzuki, thanks for pointing that out. I had read about that on crimelibrary once several moons ago, but forgot what the name of the school was.

 

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Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:31pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
In case anyone's interested, there are six confirmed fatalities, including the gunman.

 

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Darth-Horax  12362 posts
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Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:34pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
I wonder if Total War Series will ever come out with High School: Total War!

 

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Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:34pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
That's just terrible. sad

 

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Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:37pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
CNN.com:

"A 32-year-old truck driver walked into an Amish schoolhouse Monday, binding and shooting three girls execution-style before killing himself, police said Monday.

Seven others were wounded in the attack, which police said appeared to be a revenge killing for an incident that occurred two decades ago.

"It seems as though he wanted to attack young female victims, and this is close to his residence. That's the only reason we can figure that he went to the school," said Comm. Jeffrey Miller, Pennsylvania State Police.

"It's a horrendous crime scene," he said. (Watch police investigate shooting scene -- 1:00)

The shooting took place at Wolf Rock School in Paradise, a school run by the Amish community with about 27 students in grades 1 through 8.

One of the children died in the arms of a trooper, Miller said.

The gunman, Charles Carl Roberts IV, was a truck driver, said Miller. He was not Amish. He had three children, and left several notes for his family "along the lines of suicide notes," Miller said.

Police said he had barricaded himself in the schoolhouse with two-by-four and two-by-six pieces of lumber.

Fifteen male students between the ages of six and 13 were released from the school, Miller said.

At least five young girls with gunshot wounds were taken to area hospitals, a spokeswoman said.
Gunman let boys go

Miller said that during the attack, Roberts apparently told students to line up in front of the blackboard. He began to tie his female captives' feet together. Then he let the boys in the classroom leave."

 

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Darth-Horax  12362 posts
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Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:37pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
It's sad...according to the report, he was acting out against something that happened 20 years ago?

How stupid is that. You wait 20 years to hurt people that weren't even alive when you were hurt, so you're going to take it out on the innocent?

Society is better off without him, but I feel badly for his wife.

 

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Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:37pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
Darth-Horax posted:
I wonder if Total War Series will ever come out with High School: Total War!


The expansion would be called "Police Invasion!"

 

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Darth-Horax  12362 posts
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Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:43pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
Ha! That is wrong...but funny!

 

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Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:43pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
So is 'Going Academic' the new 'Going Postal'?

 

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Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:45pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
"We're going to bring out the rulers and the abacus, and we're going to get academic on your ***!"

 

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ZebulaNebula  8770 posts
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Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:46pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
Darth-Horax posted:
"We're going to bring out the rulers and the abacus, and we're going to get academic on your ***!"


Spare us your gallows humor.

 

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sidious618  11601 posts
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Date Posted: 10/2/06 12:53pm Subject: RE: school shooting in pennsylvania
ZebulaNebula posted:
Darth-Horax posted:
"We're going to bring out the rulers and the abacus, and we're going to get academic on your ***!"


Spare us your gallows humor.


I've always found humor to be the best medication.

 

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