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ellybeanjay
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Date Posted:
5/12 8:42pm
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RE: Winter-Spring 2008: The Republican and Democratic Primaries and Caucuses thread.
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DarthLassic007 posted:
What a coincidence that after all these years that Obama broke ties with Wright after Wright started smearing him.
FIFY
He didn't break ties when the Wright controversy broke - he only did after Wright started saying crappy things about him. And to me, it makes perfect sense that you'd break ties with someone after they start doing that.
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ObiWan506 posted:
Just wait until it becomes a Page A story. McCain's been ignored too long and once the focus is back on him, everyone will hear about it and now we got ourselves a race. Because Obama has already been through the Wright stuff, he has a significant advantage.
I just don't know how much people are going to be outraged by those comments though. People were out raged by Wright's comments because they felt personally attacked, but I don't know that there's enough sympathy in this country towards Muslims and homosexuals for people to really make a big deal about those comments.
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KnightWriter
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ObiWan506 posted:
ellybeanjay posted:
Personally, I find it kind of disconcerting that so many of the people who are all up in arms about Reverend Wright's comments are willing to let anti-Islam and anti-gay comments slide.
Not surprising, but disconcerting. And a sign of how racism and homophobism is a pretty prevailant issue in this country.
Just wait until it becomes a Page A story. McCain's been ignored too long and once the focus is back on him, everyone will hear about it and now we got ourselves a race. Because Obama has already been through the Wright stuff, he has a significant advantage.
A lot of the charges against Obama will seem very old by October. Some will stick and damage him again, but others will seem like old news, particularly in former Democratic battleground areas. I suspect that in places like Pennsylvania, the charges will fall flat overall. People will have already made up their minds. Ironically, they may be more effective in Michigan and Florida, where there was little to no campaigning done. That's where the lack of early resolution may really hit Obama, rather than the loss of delegates.
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DarthLassic007
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ellybeanjay posted:
Personally, I find it kind of disconcerting that so many of the people who are all up in arms about Reverend Wright's comments are willing to let anti-Islam and anti-gay comments slide.
I am an American and not a liberal, so I find Wright's anti-American comments disgusting.
I'm also not a member of Hagee's church. And if I was, it wouldn't take me a few decades to condemn him and leave his church. I would have left after hearing him say those comments after the first time.
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Jabba-wocky
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So then why don't you have a problem with McCain going to his church for the first time to deliberately associate himself with the man after such comments? Let alone breaking ties. He made a point of creating them.
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Andalite-Bandit
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I still don't see anything that Wright said that particularly offends or disturbs me, although I've only seen clips of his post-controversy antics at that press conference. Of the original remarks that started all this nonsense, the only thing that is particularly absurd is the HIV thing. But still...eh, so some old guy that Obama knows believes a conspiracy theory about AIDS. That doesn't really impact my opinion on Obama in any way. The entire thing is blown ridiculously out of proportion. His other "anti-american" remarks about "americas chickens coming home to roost" and so forth...bad timing for him to say it maybe, but I don't really disagree with the sentiment.
The McCain thing is blown out of proportion as well, but to me is still more disturbing than the Wright issue. A pastor condemning the government...so what? A pastor condemning an entire religion or group of people, that's a lot more offensive to me. But it's not like I'd have ever considered voting for McCain in the first place.
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Lord_Vivec
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DarthLassic007 posted:
I'm also not a member of Hagee's church. And if I was, it wouldn't take me a few decades to condemn him and leave his church. I would have left after hearing him say those comments after the first time.
I, and a lot of religious people I know, do not believe in leaving a church simply because one pastor makes horrible comments. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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Jabba-wocky posted:
Souderwan, yes, clearly, it was exaggerated to make my point. But it's far less spin than Lassic's offering. And, whatever other considerations entered in, I don't see how you'd imagine that calling someone a liar would not be personally offensive.
I won't argue the point.
I will say this, though. I don't care about Wright and I don't care about Hagee or any of these people. None of them are running for President. You can't get to the point where you have a serious shot at being President without having some connection with people you would rather not havee connection with--loose or close. Would JFK be elected today, given his family's connections to the mod--real or implied?
This whole discussion is a waste of time.
The simple fact is that I disagree with Obama on just about every issue he brings up and I'm unpersuaded by his calls for political change because I find him to be just another politician and certainly not one to have demonstrated the ability to accomplish the change that he claims he can.
My decision to vote or not vote for Obama or McCain will not be swayed one iota by who they knew or who they know or who they sought or received endorsements from. I know all I'm going to know about the character of these gentlemen and their character isn't going to affect my vote. In fact, I don't think their character is going to affect the vote of a single person on this board. Most people here are well-informed and have likely formed their opinions on the issues long ago. This constant back-and-forth in this thread about Obama's association and McCain's associations is the same kind of crap that I'm watching on the TV. I'm ashamed I've ever taken part in any of it.
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ellybeanjay
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DarthLassic007 posted:
I'm also not a member of Hagee's church. And if I was, it wouldn't take me a few decades to condemn him and leave his church. I would have left after hearing him say those comments after the first time.
If you were running for president would you be like "Hey, Hagee, let's hang out and you tell people to vote for me?"
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Lassic, I don't know what to tell you. Welcome to politics. You won't get fair, objective and logical traits here. That's why races are so hard to predict. The entire nation could embrace McCain and his issues but when it comes out that his friend's brother's maid skinny dipped in the Pacific Ocean one time, we all suddenly have righteous morals to judge McCain on. Truth is, we're all wrong, you're right. But there's no place for that in politics. You want to run for President, you are going to get unfairly picked at.
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DarthLassic007 posted:
ellybeanjay posted:
Personally, I find it kind of disconcerting that so many of the people who are all up in arms about Reverend Wright's comments are willing to let anti-Islam and anti-gay comments slide.
I am an American and not a liberal, so I find Wright's anti-American comments disgusting.
I'm also not a member of Hagee's church. And if I was, it wouldn't take me a few decades to condemn him and leave his church. I would have left after hearing him say those comments after the first time.
Well then it's a good thing it's documented that Obama wasn't at Trinity when the controversial sermon that's been on YouTube loop was given. And he started going to Trinity in the 1980s, hardly "a few decades." And again, I find Wright's anti-American comments disgusting, too. But they didn't come from Obama's mouth. He is not his pastor's keeper. I know I definitely don't agree with everything that comes out of my pastor's mouth. I don't have to. I also don't have to be guilty by association.
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Which of his remarks are disgusting? I can see disagreeing with the guy, but "disgusting"? Eh...seems a bit overboard to me.
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Andalite-Bandit posted:
Which of his remarks are disgusting? I can see disagreeing with the guy, but "disgusting"? Eh...seems a bit overboard to me.
Anything "anti-American" is apparently worthy to be outraged about.
Le sigh.
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I just anted to post an NIAWYC with Bandit. Which is why I didn't have a problem with the guy until he started making personal character attacks on Obama, which even then, doesn't make him a horrible person, just someone that Obama might reasonably want to not associate with anymore.
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Lord_Vivec posted:
Le sigh.
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Andalite-Bandit posted:
Which of his remarks are disgusting? I can see disagreeing with the guy, but "disgusting"? Eh...seems a bit overboard to me.
I'm still looking in my Bible to find the part where God [condemns] the US. Is it in the Epistles?
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