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GrandAdmiralJello
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5/15 9:25pm
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I think your hero Obama did draw the line at talking to Hamas.
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Andalite-Bandit
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5/15 9:26pm
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Just because I like the guy doesn't mean I agree with him on every single possible issue, Jellster.
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DarthLassic007
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I missed it. What actually did Obama say?
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MASTERPRENN
Title: JCC Man., who jus noticed his own title. You jerk
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5/15 9:30pm
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Hey said "I'm a communist!"
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Andalite-Bandit
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MASTERPRENN posted:
Hey said "I'm a communist!"
Stop it, you're going to confuse people in West Virginia.
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MASTERPRENN
Title: JCC Man., who jus noticed his own title. You jerk
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Who cares? They're just bitter, gun touting fundamentalists anyway.
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GrandAdmiralStrife
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5/15 9:37pm
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dont't forget that exit polls showed 8 out of 10 said race was a factor in the way they voted, but they're not racist.
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GrandAdmiralJello
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Andalite-Bandit posted:
Just because I like the guy doesn't mean I agree with him on every single possible issue, Jellster.
Yes it does.
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Andalite-Bandit
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Oops.
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DarthLassic007
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5/15 9:40pm
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GrandAdmiralStrife posted:
dont't forget that exit polls showed 8 out of 10 said race was a factor in the way they voted, but they're not racist.
Who? The 91% black people in Indiana or the 93% black people in North Carolina who voted for Obama. 
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MASTERPRENN
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5/15 9:47pm
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lol
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GrandAdmiralStrife
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5/15 9:49pm
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both. If you're voting based on race, that's racism. If you're voting based on sex, that's sexism. End of story.
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JMJacenSolo
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8 out of 10? I thought it was 1 out of 6. And voting "based on race" doesn't necessarily mean racism. There are pragmatic reasons to vote for a black man.
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DarthLassic007
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JMJacenSolo posted:
There are pragmatic reasons to vote for a black man.
A few of my friends who are "guilty white, limousine liberals" can't wait for a black man to be elected President. I think they believe that electing Obama would be reparations for slavery. As if saying "All is forgiving now." Electing a black man as President should not and will not erase the terrible history of slavery in this country.
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Jabba-wocky
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5/15 10:13pm
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DarthLassic007 posted:
GrandAdmiralStrife posted:
dont't forget that exit polls showed 8 out of 10 said race was a factor in the way they voted, but they're not racist.
Who? The 91% black people in Indiana or the 93% black people in North Carolina who voted for Obama.
Yeah, there's actually quite a good case to make that blacks who vote for Obama aren't racist, since you brought it up. Namely, that Hillary Clinton led among African-Americans for the majority of the race, and Obama only gained overwhelming support after Bill Clinton's race-baiting in South Carolina. On the other hand, when you consider that in places like Pennsylvania, Obama's campaign posters were burned while citizens shouted the n-word at his campaign volunteers (Source) and I think you have a bit more cause for concern. That, on top of the historic reality that blacks have repeatedly shown themselves willing to vote for candidates of a different race, whereas whites have repeatedly shown themselves unwilling to do the same, and I think I can see why this dynamic is talked about the way that it is.
Wouldn't you agree?
EDIT: I'm not by any means implying that people who refuse to vote for Obama are racist. That would be an irresponsible and frankly reprehensible charge. What I am saying is that the "OMG double standard" talk is silly, because there are hard realities that inform why race dynamics are being discussed the way that they are.
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